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Lucastlock
Thanks IRharry you are quite right
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Post by
sasexw
Blizzard is putting a unique effect on DE , that means probably you will have to put 1 point on it.
Post by
irharry
Blizzard is putting a unique effect on DE , that means probably you will have to put 1 point on it.
They are putting a unique sound bite/graphic on it, but as far as I aware that was all? I doubt that anything else will be added, but if theres more to come I'll update as required if it goes onto the PTR.
Hmm does this mean that for destro locks crit is more valuable than haste post patch?
More valuable point for point I doubt. It will increase the value of crit, but I'd rather not post numbers without Simcrafting them - to be honest I don't know exactly how much it wil change.
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sasexw
sound? -.- sound :P
they are talking about a unique effect i hope its not just a sound..
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irharry
wouldnt it be better 2 move 2 points from MD to MC in the 0/28/43 spec?
moving 2 points into MC isn't as effective as you'd thnk for this build. The numbers are very, very close, but basically no, its not worth it.
Unlike the FG specs, each point in MD boosts crit AND fire dmg. I actually got the most out of this build by using CoD rather than CoAg (no CoAg glyph in this spec), and though i cried a little doing it, skipping corruption entirely (I just went and checked, Zak's sims skipped corruption as well). Anotherwords, other than CoD no shadow damage at all. The build is pretty much entirely based on spamming immo/conflag/incinerate. Nothing pretty about it at all!
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irharry
this
link to simcrafted build performance was right at the top of the OP.
Just beneath it.... in the OP.... was,
One of the hugest changes with 3.1.0 is going to be equality. Affliction is copping a technical nerf (we can argue about the size of it, but technically, its being nerfed), but its rotation is being eased up. Deep demo is being buffed. All rotations except Affliction are getting harder, which at the end of the day is going to leave all specs at a similar level of difficulty, and dps.
The builds linked below will not perform identically, and we can argue about exactly which build will edge out the others till the cows come home, but the fact is that now more than ever, its going to come down to player preference and habit.
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Post by
asakawa
let the mages(/aff locks/demo locks) do the crit buff.
you just stick to your fire talents.
Post by
irharry
demonic Pact is FINALLY taking into account the spirit portion of fel armour - which for top end locks will boost the demonic pact effect by up to 20 or 30. Not a game breaker, but significant, and will hugely increase the viability of a demonic pact build
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Post by
irharry
your build is not bad at all, its very close to the 28/43 "cookie cutter" build. In your case Emp Imp is better accoding to my napkin math, keeping your crit high for pyroclasm + conflag is quite important, and extremely heavy fire bias of the build makes running shadow dots for MC less desirable. You'd need to run some testing or sims or to confirm that.
At the end of the day though - I think you'd see some slightly better numbers out of 28/43, and better again out of 40/31, both of which are similar builds.
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irharry
Apologies for the dbl post, but a quick update - I have edited the OP with my take on what builds are likely to be more widely used than others. Its partly subjective of course - but based on good logic at the same time.
In my opinion the build we are going to see most of in high end guilds is the deep demo Demonic Pact Build. Its personal dps is slightly lower than some others, but the overall contribution to the raid is much, much greater than any other spec. It brings the 5% crit debuff that can be applied in a more efficient manner than the mage version, it brings a superior spellpower buff to ToWr, and it brings more controllable burst than any other spec avialable. Total rDPS (raid dps) gained by Demonic Pact is very hard to measure, but the shamans ability to drop a dps totem rather than a static buff totem is an immediate 400+dps. This alone very, very nearly makes up for the lost personal dps.
In my opinion the next two "most popular" builds will be deep affliction, whos dps potential is now more achievable, and 0/40/31, which is relatively easy to maintain and has the added attraction of some very nice looking conflag crits (honestly, who doesn't like seeing 20k+ crits?)
Also, on the question of spellstones vers firestones, with the hugely improved master conjurer talent most demo specs are going to be better off using spellstones rather than firestones. Follow the link to the simcrafts to see what Zak is using.
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Post by
asakawa
i'm sorry to say that your build misses an awful lot of important points.
conflag is hugely important in a 3.1 destro build and it's really looking like any build that goes 30 points deep needs to also get conflag.
further to this you went deeper into destro but also missed backdraft.
you missed 3% crit from backdlash and didn't take chaos bolt even though you're 51 points in destro.
the points that you didn't put in these tremendously important talents you spent on replenishment. now, if your guild really requires you to provide that buff then i'm sure there's a good build for that but, generally, a thread like this will be dealing mostly with optimal specs meaning that sub-optimal choices like providing replenishment don't really fall under the umbrella of "on topic".
if you took replenishment because you think it looked like the best choice and not because of guild requirements then the answer is very easy. you give up too much for that buff for it to be a good idea without a very good reason.
as for the question on suppression, if you need it then you need it. simple as that. irharry has put 2 deep destro builds in the OP, one with and one without suppression. they are your best bet.
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Post by
asakawa
whatever your gear has. get the best get you can and that's how much crit you need.
what i'm getting at is that there's no specific requirement before which the build fails.
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