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Post by
asakawa
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Post by
MyTie
BWAHAHAHHAHAHA.
One of my sons is dead. It'd be
easier
to be an old homosexual black jewish woman in 1945 Germany than have a dead kid. Life treats you like an individual. There isn't some sort of blanket bonus I get because I'm a white dude.
Easy mode. That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.
Post by
asakawa
I feel you haven't really understood the thrust of the article but that's fine.
Actually I see that the author did answer your point in their follow-up:
4.I’m a straight white male and my life isn’t easy! My life sucks! Your “lowest difficulty setting” doesn’t account for that!
That’s actually fully accounted for in the entry. Go back and read it again.
This one’s a stand-in for all the complaints about the entry that come primarily either from not reading the entry, or not reading what was actually written in the entry in preference to a version of the entry that exists solely in that one person’s head, and which is not the entry I wrote. Please, gentlemen, read what is there, not what you think is there, or what you believe must be there because you know you already disagree with what I have to say, no matter what it is I am saying.(##RESPBREAK##)16##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##
Post by
MyTie
The thrust is it is easier for white people than it is for other people. The challenges are different for each individual. The article attempts to measure "easiness" and apply it to an entire group of people vs another entire group of people. Correlation, causation, environment, genetics, etc etc etc. The routes that debate can go are endless. The over simplification and generalization of that article is like trying to recreate something as complex as the ceiling at the sistine chapel with ketchup on a rock.
The article is dumb. "Easiness" is something that comes on an individual basis, and dismissing my views in any debate because I can't understand where someone is coming from because my life is
oh so easy
is asinine.
Edit: And the "my life is hard" argument isn't accounted for in the original entry. It says it is, but it isn't. I read it. Quote where it does address that, not just where it says that it did address it at an earlier point.
Post by
MyTie
Life on easy mode.
Life on hard mode.
HURRRRR DURRRRRR
Post by
asakawa
Fair enough mate. I don't really think there's much point in discussion, never mind debate, if one doesn't emerge (or at least aim to emerge) with a greater understanding of the experiences and feelings of others. The article uses a fun analogy to make a simple point and if you want to reject "easiness" then fine but I think there's value to the idea of seeking to grasp the vast differences between the lives different people lead. Human's are egotistical by nature so it's often difficult to take a step back from one's own experiences.
Interesting that you boiled it down to "white people". I think I see "male" as the strongest part of it and one might assume that a gay person might focus on the "straight" bit. Anyway, I thought it was an interesting way to describe something.
Post by
MyTie
Ok, common ground time.
I agree that those who have easier lives than others should at least attempt to understand what life is like for others. I get that. But, I think you might have assumed that that wasn't going on in the homosexual marriage debate, when there is no indication that is the case. Further, that really doesn't make it more understandable for someone to react so dramatically when they put themselves in the debate. She got offended before in that same debate, and took a hiatus, and came back to that same debate, and shockingly, got offended and took another hiatus. The first time, I can understand her being upset, even though she probably should have known better. But this second time is nothing but purely her own fault. No excuses.
Post by
Patty
Congratulations on completely missing the point, MyTie.
Post by
MyTie
That's not helpful, Patty. Why not try to explain it a bit, instead of just that unsupported one-liner.
Post by
Patty
Okay, I'll bite. The point of being born a WASP or a black woman (seeing as you used Oprah as an example) that was illustrated by asakawa's link wasn't saying "Everything in life will be 100 times easier and nothing bad will ever happen because you're a white straight male". The point was that you're at an advantage overall in society. That doesn't mean life will be perfect, and nobody is saying that. What we are saying is that there's a hell of a lot less discrimination against white, straight males in most western societies than against blacks, lesbians/gays/transgenders/bisexuals, or women. Does that make sense?
Post by
392412
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Post by
MyTie
Ok, I agree with those points. That's not what I was taking from that article. I get that there are some blanket challenges, but that doesn't mean that life is "harder" or "easier", as it was saying The game is just harder, and potentially a lot less fun.This statement is wrong.
Post by
asakawa
If you watch Mad Men do you not think to yourself "Wow, being a woman was hard in the 60s!"?
Post by
MyTie
If you watch Mad Men do you not think to yourself "Wow, being a woman was hard in the 60s!"?
It was difficult to be a woman working as a secretary at an ad agency in the 60s. However, being a woman on a farm in Oklahoma, my grandma had it equally difficult as my grandpa. So, NO, I would not say that "being a woman was hard in the 60s" as an attempt to contrast against other groups of people (in this case men). Once again, difficulty is assigned by life on an individual basis. It doesn't scan over a person, and see them as white male and decide "oh let's make this easy". Some white guys get cancer, or lose their houes, or die in war, etc. Life doesn't see race or gender or sexual orientation when it hands out problems.
Further, I kind of wonder why a woman would try to get a job there.
Post by
asakawa
Some white guys get cancer, or lose their houes, or die in war, etc. Life doesn't see race or gender or sexual orientation when it hands out problems.
You're definitely misunderstanding. Not life, society.
Post by
MyTie
I agree about the society part. Society treats groups unfairly. It's a sad thing. Life isn't automatically easier nor harder because of that, though. Further, I refuse to see someone as a victim just because they belong to a group that doesn't have everything fair. Sad as it is, this doesn't have anything to do with the current happenings of off topic.
Post by
557473
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
MyTie
Can someone respond to Boron for me. I'm too tired.
Post by
392412
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Interest
Uh hi.Can someone respond to Boron for me. I'm too tired.
No one agrees with you.
...Both of you...
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