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Squishalot
<insert comment here about the US freeing up their right hand to type messages and emails from their smar*CRRRASSSSHHHH*>
Post by
Jubilee
As far as corporations are concerned, they're private enterprises, I don't think it's their place to determine social things like what everyday people use. Their "translation" is a service and they are perfectly welcome to charge extra for it.
And as far as planes are concerned, the big airplane story everyone knows about actually happen during Canada's metrication, when people weren't quite clear on the current norm. So I think that example would actually be in favor of not changing anything drastically. The other related incident was the Mars orbiter, which was due to a company providing a thruster that measured with the wrong units. While I agree that was a problem, I don't think one company's failure to properly label their products (or of the scientist's failure to read those labels, I'm not sure which) would warrant a whole social restructuring in that area.
Post by
Adamsm
Sorry Adams.Alright then.
Post by
donnymurph
As far as corporations are concerned, they're private enterprises, I don't think it's their place to determine social things like what everyday people use. But it is the government's job to serve them and their needs. Their "translation" is a service and they are perfectly welcome to charge extra for it.Wouldn't you rather they didn't though?
Post by
Squishalot
Would you argue that the amount of time saved whenever the US community meets the international community would be worth it? There's practically an entire joke industry dedicated to US holidaymakers' mistranslations of measurement systems.
And where's the logic in measuring your stock exchange in 1/8 and 1/16 units, when you have a metric currency to two decimal places?(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Squishalot##DELIM##
Post by
Jubilee
donnymurph, sorry, it's hard to read humor over the internet. Is that first one poking fun that how governments really do sell themselves out to corporations, or are you serious about that? And to the second, the only imported good I buy are cheap things anyways, so I'm perfectly fine using the system that's already been ingrained in my brain the last 20 years.
And to Squishalot, after looking up holidaymaker :P I can now answer you. Again, those are private individuals, and just like I don't expect them to force me to live and think a certain way, I'm not going to force them. If individual people want to teach themselves the metric system to the point where it's natural and they can get enough people to agree that it's a good idea and it themselves, then they'll begin pushing society in that direction and maybe them, at a much more gradual and natural rate, we'd switch over. And as far as the logic of multiples of 2 instead of 10, there is no logic. I didn't choose to be immersed in a society that thinks in multiples of 2, but I was and so I do. Logic isn't really an issue to me.
Post by
Squishalot
Is that first one poking fun that how governments really do sell themselves out to corporations, or are you serious about that?
I think it's serious. It's the government's job to dictate how things should be done, for the good of the country - including corporations. If the corporations want to measure things in pounds internally, that's up to them.
A good example is oil / petrol. Multi-national companies often measure by barrel internally, but report litres sold.
Post by
donnymurph
No, I'm serious. Yeah, some governments sell out to corporations. But supporting local enterprise should be a
major
part of any government's policies. Business is, after all, the building block of the economy.
Post by
Jubilee
Is that first one poking fun that how governments really do sell themselves out to corporations, or are you serious about that?
I think it's serious. It's the government's job to dictate how things should be done, for the good of the country - including corporations. If the corporations want to measure things in pounds internally, that's up to them.
A good example is oil / petrol. Multi-national companies often measure by barrel internally, but report litres sold.
Did you read what he wrote? He said it's the government's job to serve the need of the corporation. What you're explaining is the exact opposite, the corporation having to conform to the government's mandate.
And to you donnymurph, I think that's another whole discussion that would need it's own place. But I think the government should be regulating corporations from the top down, not doting on them from below.
Post by
donnymurph
Did you read what he wrote? He said it's the government's job to serve the need of the corporation. What you're explaining is the exact opposite, the corporation having to conform to the government's mandate.
It is the government's job to serve the needs of their country, and part of this is by
dictating how things are to be done
. That's what we entrust in them when we give them our vote.
Post by
Squishalot
Did you read what he wrote? He said it's the government's job to serve the need of the corporation. What you're explaining is the exact opposite, the corporation having to conform to the government's mandate.
I think we're all misinterpreting each other, to be honest.
1) It's more ideal for the whole world to use internationally consistent terminology.
2) Corporations aren't going to do that on their own.
3) Governments can influence corporations to do move towards an internationally consistent terminology, for the corporation's benefit and for the people's benefit.
Edit: And we really shouldn't be geeking out in the RB.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Squishalot##DELIM##
Post by
donnymurph
If we push it any further, it's deinitely gonna become a "needs it's own thread" thing.
I've actually still got a few threads I want to make but I'm lazy.
Quick local-politics questions Squish. Answer yes or no:
Gambling licence?
Plain cigarette packaging?
Melbourne to ditch the F1GP due to perceived burden on Victorian economy.
Post by
Jubilee
Is that another rule I don't know about? People keep saying things that I didn't see in the rules anywhere, and I can never be sure if I'm doing something I shouldn't. I had a tinyish reply, but I guess I'll leave it at that if this isn't the place.
Post by
donnymurph
Also, I propose that all random comments that do no fall in any current threads get dropped into this 'Recycle Bin' thread.We are taking this discussion to a length that really justifies having its own thread.
This isn't an enforced rule as such, just a general etiquette thing. Most "subjects" here are over and done with within 3 or 4 replies. For example, Squish and I might mention something about the Formula 1, talk about it quickly, then move on. There's no need to have a thread for that.
Post by
Squishalot
Gambling licence?
Plain cigarette packaging?
Melbourne to ditch the F1GP due to perceived burden on Victorian economy.
For gambling more than (say) $200 a night or something, sure. Let the little people gamble in private. License also makes it easier to track for tax purposes - professional gamblers should be paying income tax on their winnings.
Plain cigarette packaging - couldn't really give a stuff. Yes, because I don't really have an interest one way or another.
F1GP - if it means that Sydney bids for it instead, sure! Having said that, more likely that Australia gets ditched completely.
Is that another rule I don't know about? People keep saying things that I didn't see in the rules anywhere, and I can never be sure if I'm doing something I shouldn't. I had a tinyish reply, but I guess I'll leave it at that if this isn't the place.
Not really, it's just nice to leave the RB to be a more casual place for people to hang out. For serious discussion, it's better to create a separate thread, rather than de-rail the RB.
Edit: Donny put it much better than I did.
Edit: Whoa, dot points, despite being quotes, turn green.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Squishalot##DELIM##
Post by
Jubilee
I guess that makes sense. Seems kind of counter intuitive to me to break up the flow of a discussion like that, but I guess there's not much else you can do if you don't want big discussions here. If mods had the ability to drag and drop a bunch of posts into a new thread that would be cool.
Anyhow since I seem to have taken over the music thread and not many people seem to go there, can someone tell me what I'm missing here:
A Fine Frenzy! <3
What the hell do you listen to? O.0
Am I really ingrained in this type of music that I don't realize that it sounds weird or something?
Post by
Adamsm
Works for regular threads too, where the discussion about something ends up as a complete derailment of the actual thread; such as the addition of
this
to a thread about speculative alien life, which then turned into a Gremlins vs Critters thing, which could be moved to the Movie thread to keep the original thread semi-on track.
Post by
donnymurph
You know what would be cool? If the RB wasn't dead...
Post by
Thror
Those were the days, oh yes those were the days.
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