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leonheart87
+15 agility all day long for rogues.....
Anything but fiery gets my vote ^^
Assuming you're going for Assassin's Blade main hand, +5 weapon damage might be better for the ambushes - switching it out for another main hand, when out of stealth, with +15 agility on it.
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Affro
so much bad info in this thread
first of
, you should have multiple weapons as a 19 twink and should enchant appropriatly for each
secondly
, dagger MH= fail
thirdly
, as I stated above that certain senarios will call for different enchants, but imo icy is you best bet
get icy on your
first and second
shadowfang, they are not unique and the best MH weapon, as well as OH weapon for the 19 bracket, having a dagger for ambushes is ok, but it should be assassins blade with 4 weapon damage, make sure you have a weapon switch macro to bring in shadowfang for SSs after the ambush
edit:
spec
For f**k sake..
Icy on a Shadowfang or a Assassin's Blade? ;o
I've got Lifestealing on mine at the moment playing around with it but It's not great..
If you are using it as a weapon for spamming Sinister then get 15 agi as usual
If you are doing Ambush crits with a spec like
this
then try 5wep damage on you're Assassin's blade, or 15agi.
But seriusly, icy? That is almost worse then
Unholy
.
Fiery on the other hand is decent, it's not the best but I'd rate it just under Lifestealing
Crusader for a rogue gives 100ap and a little heal.
And Fiery isn't
bad
, it's not the best but
alot
better then Icy.
first of, you should have multiple weapons as a 19 twink and should enchant appropriatly for each
yepp
secondly, dagger MH= fail
With
some
rogue skills it's a fun spec to play. But I'd not recomend it.
thirdly, as I stated above that certain senarios will call for different enchants, but imo icy is you best bet
Icy is one of the worst enchants ever. If you are in a scenario witch needs you to slow someone, then get a bad weapon to use for that, A Shadowfang / Assassin's Blade is
the
weapon to use at 19 and enchanting it with ether "Icy Chill, Fiery or Unholy" should make you're character deleted in my opinion.
To the OP, Try what you like, but I'd prefer 15 agility on both weapons :)
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Post by
leonheart87
you do not understand the rogue class and therefore have no place in this thread
have fun getting kited
Any rogue who allows themselves to be kited, should be using Icy.
Personally, I'll just let them run away and I'll go in the opposite direction, get stealth and have another go at them.
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Affro
you do not understand the rogue class and therefore have no place in this thread
have fun getting kited
First of.
We are talking 19 pvp.
Understood?
There's only limited kiting and we don't have stuff like Vanish or
Crippling Poison
.
Second.
The proc of Icy Chill does: "Movement slowed by 30% and time between attacks increased by 25%"
Now let's compare this to the slows of classes that can kite:
Frostmages,
this is basicly nothing to do about since a
Frostbolt
reduces the speed by 40% or 50% when
speced righ
and with Frost Nova it's a lose.
A decent frostmage will kill you if you don't have a good healer or other forms of assist.
Hunters
has
Wing Clip
and
Concussive Shot
both reducing you're speed by 50%, that's the same as for mages, 1 on 1 they will probably kill you but that Icy proc will only make you do
some
more damage before he gets out of range.
Warriors
has
Hamstring
witch makes them realy hard to beat together with Charge
Shamans
only has limited kiting options at this level, with
Eartbind Totem
being the only thing to use. It's not a huge thing to worry about but still worth mentioning.
That's all the slows advainble at this level and they slow by 50%, Icy is 30%, so do you now understand why Icy Chill sucks?
you do not understand the rogue class and therefore have no place in this thread
have fun getting kited (and doing lousy damage thanks to icy).
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since ~40% of the 19s are hunters, kiting is something anyone with half a brain would worry about
Now you are just making facts up, it's like saying 70% of all wow players are mages.
Does it sound resonable? Nope.
On my battlegroup I'd guesse there is currently around 30% warriors, 20% hunters, 15%rogues, and the rest is spread out over the rest of the classes. And that's because of the bugg sword.
firstly, there wasnt much kiting i thought?
secondly, when they are running only 10-20% faster than you are you going to actually compare the very slight dps from30 agility to the extra hits you will be landing while they get out of range, and in the extra time you recieve after catching up faster?
That's not much kiting yes. And all the time you presuppose that someone is kiting you when you are posting in this thread? On my rogue I don't consider slows being the most dangerous thing to watch up for, roots is.
Icy don't help a s**t against that btw.
only 10-20% faster
Only? ^o) If wow haven't changed the last seconds 20% is a big difference.
your fail is showing again, warriors dont kite
Fine, warriors
slow
so you don't get out of range, a big difference?
please bring up some numbers about how 30 agi will somehow offer better than just a single extra hit.
Im not saying 30agility is better then icy in a situation when you are being kited and you get a lucky proc of.
Will that icy proc help you more then 15agilty when a warrior has hamstring on you and you are fighting him?
The agility enchant offers more versatility in the long run, a BG is not
always
about kiting and when it is you would be better of kiting
him
with LOS or incapasitating him long enought for you to kill him.. As I said earlier in this thread you can always enchant that worthless WSG sword with icy if you feel that you need it in certain situations.
You'd fool yourself by enchanting a Shadowfang / Assassin's Balde with it!
And nope, got no numbers how an extra hit will do compared to all the extra damage in the entire BG from the 30agility.
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Niniveh
Icy, fiery and lifestealing all rely on RNG. I put my money on the constant, 15 agil.
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1) you will never catch a rogue in any arena BG without crip poison, it is also on a proc and up until 3.0 was just as likely to land in the first few seconds of combat as icy
As I previous said this is 19. No poisons.
2)your logic for agis superiority was incorect to, if rogues are all about dodge and crit why isnt 26 agi the top rogue enchant in game right now? gl finding anyone serious about the game useing it
You know mongoose is advanble at 35 (or at 29 twinking) and Berserker(spelling..) at 60(or 49 twinking.)
This is still 19, don't compare it to 80 pvp. So that's why rogues don't use 26 agility.
And btw, Mongoose is comparable to 50agility +2% attack speed if it where a passive enchant.
3)the point is Icy will help you in every fight, agi is a slight dps increase that is worhtless against anyone able to kite, a mage wont be able to get far enough away to frostbolt running only 20% faster than you, a hunter will have his ability to kite cut in 1/2 increasing the amount of time you have to beat on him before he can concussive shot you again, locks, priests, druids, and shammies wont be able to kite you at all
Well.. The good thing about 15agility is that it helps in every fight.
Check you're facts and try again better the next time.
And sorry for the bad spelling, im tierd xD
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