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Put your epeens away.
Fine.
OP get 15agility and if you want to try with icy before you enchant them with agility.
Then you will notice the increased damage and never change back to icy.
And before I stop posting in this tread I'll respond to goshadstep2lose's 3d point.
3)the point is Icy will help you in every fight, agi is a slight dps increase that is worhtless against anyone able to kite, a mage wont be able to get far enough away to frostbolt running only 20% faster than you, a hunter will have his ability to kite cut in 1/2 increasing the amount of time you have to beat on him before he can concussive shot you again, locks, priests, druids, and shammies wont be able to kite you at all
That mage will acctualy get far away if he runs at 20% more speed. (My main is a mage, I know.)
locks, priests, druids, and shammies wont be able to kite you at all
When did I say warlocks, priests and druid could kite?
That's CC, he would get far in the 8seconds (Maybe less if he attacks you to) and you're icy proc would fade away in that time since its a such short durocation on the spell.
Anyway, let's sum this up:
I've got Lifestealing on mine at the moment playing around with it but It's not great..
If you are using it as a weapon for spamming Sinister then get 15 agi as usual
If you are doing Ambush crits with a spec like this then try 5wep damage on you're Assassin's blade, or 15agi.
Icy, fiery and lifestealing all rely on RNG. I put my money on the constant, 15 agil
Now before goshadstep starts flaming me, I do understand why icy would be achoice.... but I think that 30 agility is better than a proc chance.
+15 agility on the shadowfangs
+4 wep dmg on assin blade
thirdly, as I stated above that certain senarios will call for different enchants, but imo icy is you best bet
Anything but fiery gets my vote ^^
Assuming you're going for Assassin's Blade main hand, +5 weapon damage might be better for the ambushes - switching it out for another main hand, when out of stealth, with +15 agility on it.
So 5 votes for 15agility. One for icy.
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Okay.. I can't stand this.
You goshadstep2lose, is an incompetent fool who tries to change other ppl's opinions.
Sometimes you are wrong, learn to deal with it.
please link me a post where i said something akin to go icy or go home and I will make a apologize for it
so take a break from your butthurt to quote me or link the post?
Here 'ya go.
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you do not understand the rogue class and therefore have no place in this thread
have fun getting kited
A response to me saying 15agility is better then icy.
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2)your logic for agis superiority was incorect to, if rogues are all about dodge and crit why isnt 26 agi the top rogue enchant in game right now? gl finding anyone serious about the game useing it
3)the point is Icy will help you in every fight, agi is a slight dps increase that is worhtless against anyone able to kite, a mage wont be able to get far enough away to frostbolt running only 20% faster than you, a hunter will have his ability to kite cut in 1/2 increasing the amount of time you have to beat on him before he can concussive shot you again, locks, priests, druids, and shammies wont be able to kite you at all
Here again you say that icy is
the
only way to go.
And that agility isn't versatillity.
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no agi wont help in every fight for the reasons I have stated, after the 2 hits in any kiting senario the flaws of the stat-stacking mentality behind enchanting 15 agi become painfully obvious
haha :)
Agiliy is worth stacking at 19.
+ Again the "go enchant icy" mentality.
Now some random very bad bad things you said in this thread.
I loved this comment, pretty much summed up your fail
any class that doesnt want to get hit by a melee can and will kite
dot-> fear/root-> kite
without some sort of snare you will never catch up
If he dots you, fears you and then runs away a bit to start it all over.. How could icy proc?
of course it does, i never said 30 agi is bad, but taking it over icy when you have no poisons is
on that note 15 agi and crusader are both superior in the 29s
Basicly this thread is about you saying 30 agility is bad.
And why would you chose 100ap + a little heal
now and then
when you can have Mongoose on one of the weapons?
Ally rogues at 29 has a weapon with better dps then the horde witch is Mongoose enchantable so it's better for them then the hordes with a 18dps weapon to have it in main hand for a better proc rate on Mongoose. Then you should have agility on the offhand since everyone knows proc enchantments has a worse proc rate when in offhand.
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The agility enchant offers more versatility in the long run,
lol fail
You basicly said that crit / ap / dodge / a little bit of armor isn't versatillity.
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not once did i suggest that all classes could kite, but many of them can, certainly not just mages and hunters
any locks, druids, priests, and shammies with 1/2 a brain will also will kite a rogue
You mention all the almost all the CCs and you don't mention hunters, mages, warriors(Yes, if they run at 75% speed and you at 50% you are not gonna get away.)
so much bad info in this thread
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thirdly, as I stated above that certain senarios will call for different enchants, but imo icy is you best bet
get icy on your first and second shadowfang
This post almost talks for itself but I'll clarify, when someone else has an opinion you say it's wrong.
And you somhow want icy on the offhand to, excuse me for the use of you're expression
but
you fail
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And every post from you in this thread you assume that:
It's a one on one fight
You are outside with no objects
You don't get the first strike.
You are facing a class capable of kiting.
In most cases all of this is not the conditions.
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So a big /violin and a /sigh to you and a big /hug to Zaputo.
And sorry for not keeping my promse of not posting anymore in this thread, goshadstep2lose is just posting way to much bad info and facts.
Edit: Minor spelling errors and changed the order of the quotes.
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I've only got time to answer some of you're most stupid responses.
link the weapons in question please
Horde
Im sorry but my experiences in 29 twinking comes from a shaman so the ally wep was a axe. But here it is anyway.
Ally
i already had mentioned hunters and mages...
Not in my quote. Learn to read corectly.
ahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha
warriors are melee and have no range therefore do not kite
you dont understand how pvp works just stop
Read my post.
Warriors(Yes, if they run at 75% speed and you at 50% you are not gonna get away.)
Before in this thead I already said that you cannot escape from a warrior.
"just like icy slows so people dont get out of range..."
Icy slows at 25%, hamstring at 50%, so when you are losing against that warrior you can't run away. He can on the other hand if he wants to, controling the enemy is a huge aspect of pvp and that's why I mentioned that.
why?
i bolded this statment because i would really like you to explain, I mean if a few extra hits from instant attacks is enought to sway an enchant from passive to proc favored why do all top rogues have procs for their OHs? crusader pre BC, mongoose TBC, Zerker in wrath
The icy chill debuff don't stack, and PPM enchants on the OH wep has a much lower proc rate.
Now again you ignore my arguments about why you should chose agility over icy and you start arguing about small unremarkable things.
You now change you're arguments, in the start of the thread you said that you SHOULD get Icy. Agility was not worth mentioning according to you.
Now you at least think of it as an opinion, that's personal progress for you.
And for the last
This post almost talks for itself but I'll clarify, when someone else has an opinion you say it's wrong.just like you have been doing ever since you got here? good point mate
I've got Lifestealing on mine at the moment playing around with it but It's not great..
If you are using it as a weapon for spamming Sinister then get 15 agi as usual
If you are doing Ambush crits with a spec like this then try 5wep damage on you're Assassin's blade, or 15agi.
But seriusly, icy? That is almost worse then Unholy.
Fiery on the other hand is decent, it's not the best but I'd rate it just under Lifestealing
Crusader for a rogue gives 100ap and a little heal.
And Fiery isn't bad, it's not the best but alot better then Icy.
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To the OP, Try what you like, but I'd prefer 15 agility on both weapons :)
In my first post in this thread I talked about 7 different enchants, I told the OP the good things about some enchants, why some isn't worth trying, what enchant I've got and what I would do.
Yes I am soo saying everyone else is wrong. I am telling what enchant that is the best.
And I am nowhere near being you're mate.
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