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What's with all the DPS hate all of a sudden?
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Timetodance
I'm an enhance/resto shaman (I switch weekly 'cause I feel like it)...
Have only done the three easier heroics as either.... As resto, I've only had a bad experience with poor dps once... and I PuG everything... 500dps for a rogue? Needless to say, it was fun (and that rogue actually learnt a bit because we didn't yell at him!)
As enhance, I do around 1300-1500 dps.... fairly low, but then look at my gear (link in sig)... no enchants/few gems, a few pieces of low lvl gear... and I have had not one tank or healer complain to me... (not counting the time that I died 6 times in Hc Nexus, while no one else died... still can't explain that one)
Not sure what servers you guys are all on, but in my experience, I have suffered no hate at all, and none of my friends or guildies have either (they are mostly hunters too...), got plenty of friendly suggestions though.
For those that are copping a lot of hate/flack, try to either ask for some pointers or have a look on these forums (or possibly elitist jerks). Those that are experiencing bad dps, point them in the right direction... yelling "l2p" doesn't actually help them l2p...
If they tell you to shut up (in other terms though) give them up as a lost cause,,,,
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dhampir1989
I think ppl just need to know what theya re doing and stats are important.
Too many times I pug and see dps with lvl 70 epics or they are not even hit cap(God if you are not even hit cap please get some hit raiting equipemnts).
Hit cap for heroics?
Heroic RAIDS yes.
5 man heroics? No. Hit is nice, but cap is not essential.
I dont think its possible to cap some classes and specs without heroic gear anyway, or at least severe gimping of other stats.
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Artinz
For all I care, basically if you have a tank and a healer, then you're set.
(I am a tank)
My only problem is with undergeared or stupid healers, usually not DPS. You should hear the mp3 someone in my old guild made for the leader. It was a techno beat with the GM saying "Don't stand in the stupid #$%^" ripped from vent.
Yes, you could call me an elitist, from the fact that I do look down on DPS for the fact that racerolling generally gets you fine DPS. Aggro problems? Then you have a $%^&ty tank. Tank is dying? Healer or tanks fault.
DPS is for people who don't want to take the fall for wipes, or really have to pay attention.
Tanks are for the people that want to be in groups more, or are willing to sacrifice to get a PUG going.
Healers are for the people that want the biggest challange, and the most gratification.
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dslyecix
Actually I've saved a few raids because of tanks dying, I've put on my shield, taunt and shield block shield wall etc and that gives me enough survivability to take some damage while being healed, I have saved quite a few raids doing that.
I've also literally saved 25 man raids from wipes on multiple occasions too. And I'm a ROGUE. Yeah, one of those "bad" DPS that bring nothing to a raid.
I can recall several occasions where I have redirected aggro on a mistake from the tank, where a taunt is missed or forgotten, or where a healer grabs a loose add and starts getting there face beaten in. All DPS classes have something they can do
if they're good
to save the day. Even something as simple as grabbing an add off a healer and dying in 5 seconds gives time for people to pick up slack.
Today, my guild downed Maly 25 for the first time. During one of our attempts, something messed up with the healers or the tank, and after a vortex, the tank just dropped. I was second on the aggro list, and so naturally Malygos turns to claw me in the face. I popped evasion, TURNED HIM away from the rest of the raid, moved him away from the incoming spark, and when he started to Arcane Breath me, I used CoS to get through it. I tanked the boss for a solid 10-12 seconds, enough time for our tank to get a battle res, get topped off, and taunt back off of me.
DPS is common, but that doesn't mean all DPS is
good
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dslyecix
50% of the dps are noobs?
Coz if noobs play badly tank or heal (which are vital classes) they been kicked out of everywhere and become bored, so they reroll DPS and continue to play even worse. Actually sad are hunters who don't know how to drag an elites, those people really sucks.
Nowadays most of good players stop playing and lot of newbies joining WoW coz of easy WotLK (DAMN YOU BLIZZARD! personally i like 2.4.3 most and still playing on private srv), then if you are tank you have pal who heals you coz you trust him. I wont trust any priest who i dont know when on the boss or even elites.
Thats why. BTW: Im tank
/facepalm
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Quicksilver
i don't hate the dps i just don't like noob dps that blame things on me when they mess up. but nobody likes getting blamed of course.
lol heres a song about pug groups i just found
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnMRynchdTY&feature=channel
i love nyhms vids:)
and a nice priest song lol exept im disc not holy put still i like it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWrZOa1_xlI&feature=channel
lol and the vid about the person who steals the loot/ninja
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8mpnN2fVYQ&feature=channel
i thought the vids were great:) lol this post reminds me of them don't ask me why! anyway i don't think there should be dps hate i just wanna play and have fun as long as dps or tank are decent with me i'll happily heal them through the instance:)
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Astygia
IT's the elitist attitude of tanks and healers that's causing wipes.
LOL
Plus if you don't want wipes learn not 2 PUG....I am pugging with a pool of 10 -15 ppl to choose from...(does not really qualify as pug really) and have never had a single problem with dps and all. I play dps and a full heroic and semi raid geared tank is always penultimate on dps at my group. Guess who's last - yes, healer.
And switching to different dpsers every day won't make your life easier.
I'm my guild's MT. Every day, I tank every heroic. Yes, every heroic, every day. Because I work overnight I only get about half of those in with my guild before they're off to do their thing and I'm pugging the rest.
Now. I know every instance. I know every fight, what to do, what not to do, what works best and what inexperienced people think works but doesn't. If I had a nickel for every time I've explained the Loken fight and still wiped on it due to healer/dps not listening, my kid would be enrolled in Harvard.
It is not anyone's elitist attitude that causes wipes. Because attitudes do not cause wipes, screwups do. Like the people who 1) Think they don't need to listen to anything, just mash buttons until everything dies, and/or 2) Mash buttons until everything dies and if you wipe, make posts on wowhead about how you should learn not to PUG.
I've made some great friends rolling PUGs. Wonderful healers, wonderful DPS'ers. I've also met a lot of people I will never ever roll with again, and all of those were DPS. Not just because their numbers were low, but because their numbers were attrocious and refused to take suggestions and follow simple directions (kill orders, loot rules, etc).
Most of the time, wipes are caused random people not moving out of the bad stuff. Which means misdirected heals onto them in attempt to not lose a DPS, which means a lack of heals going where they need to go, which is where it begins to fall apart.
No, don't learn to not pug. Learn to play, learn to accept when it was your screwup that did everyone in, and learn from it. Make friends with others who have the same attitude, and never team again with those that refuse.
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Slowhand
That's why I don't play this game for PvE. You keep acting like its some unreal chore to fight computer controlled preset patterns. DPS, Tank or heals. This game is easy. I have a 40 prot pal, and his mechanics are not MUCH harder then my 80 mage. But again, my mage is frost specced so I can PvP (where the game actually starts showing a bit of skill). I run regular raids and heroics so I can get emblems for my gladiator set and other PvP gear.
QQ noobs, l2pvp and quit stroking your own egos tanks and "z0mg heals".
(BTW, my DPS is about 2000 with simple rotations, and that ISNT including AoE, 3300 is unreal easy to obtain with a few blizzards in Nax, or whatever. Yes. I said it. Easy.)
Not to uh, burst your little bubble here or anything, but 1132? Shouldn't be the one stroking the PvP VS PvE epeen there, homeslice.
And no PvP in WoW isn't really "skill" either, I narrowly missed Glad s1 and s2 because the comp I ran at the time was op, and so were certain pieces of my gear (good old VST). I get crushed in actual competitive PvP games because my twitch reflexes are terrible.
WoW PvP is a fun little diversion, nothing more.
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but I also regularly compete in FPS tournaments like Counterstrike, Halo, unreal, etc... lets try to be realistic here...
If you can't handle the 1300s in WoW arena with 1.5 sec GCD, I can safely assume you don't "compete" in any real competitive FPS play.
Or you do, but in the same way a high school hockey team would "compete" with the Detriot Red Wings.
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