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Taedae
We get a lot of post on here from people trying to get help for their specs. So, in trying to help keep some order, POST THEM HERE!
IF you dont get a reply quickly (we are quick at replying a lot of the time) just repost your questions again. Also, dont expect Leth to reply to everyone of them. While he is a leader of these forums, alot of us others are learning and sharing the knowledge we have too.
I am not the best at PVP. SO, if you post one, its from my honest opinion. maybe some of the PVP guys can lend a hand on those.
Rule:
1. Post Specs and questions on specs ONLY!. The odds are, we will tell you the same thing we told another person but thats ok, because everyone is always learning. The spec we post might not be the top spec, but if you are looking for something thats in the middle, we will try to accomodate you but will also recommend other things as well.
2. If you dont like the answers we give, dont QQ about it. Either take the advice, or show math, links, or any other info that would help prove your points.
3. No Flaming. Please, if you can say something respectfully, keep your trap shut.
NOTE: Any info put in this topic that is not already known will be put into a guide written by me. The person given the info will be quoted and given props for giving it out.
Thanks.
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Post by
Taedae
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cxZzeV0MZeb0iobchxhA0cx
This is the build i have been using and i am unsure about the points in Survival Tactics or putting in T.N.T but in raids i dont drop to many traps
then you want the regular PvE build which is close to what you have but you have to many points in certain areas.
You dont need 5/5 Hunting Party or 3/3 Expose weakness. the EJ forums are saying that 2/5 HP and 2/3 EW is enough. You have enough crit chance just by being survival to refresh them while still in the 15 or 7 sec. also, you dont have Explosive shot. not getting that severly gimps your pds. you need lock and load and TNT. both of those give you free xplo shots or more crits fromt eh 3 ticks you get off it. you really dont need savage strikes, unless you were trying for the trap dancing spec.
on the MM side, you need aimed shot, since steady si being nerfed, aimed is going to be taking its place in alot of rotations, especially MM and Surv. you dont need rapid killing because the only reason you would need to use rapid fire is when in AotV to replenish mans.
so all in all, you should have
this
Post by
Taedae
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=chZMeVbZe00i0fIhxbA0sd
looks pretty good, the only thing i would change is those points in trap mastery and FD. i think those should go to wyvern sting and 2/3 noxious.
i am assuming that you have focused aim because you dont have +hit capped.
Post by
Taedae
Only thing I don't get is why they ALWAYS take hawk eye. I have been meaning to ask over there but I haven't had the chance. Maybe today.
i would put those hawk eye points into 5/5 improved tracking and savage strikes. i think you would be closer than 30 to anyone unless no one is paying attention to you.
Post by
karlusdavius
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cZ0xV0oZechiofIhxdAG0d
pvp surv spec for BG's.
Glyphs Include
Glyph of Frost trap
Glyph of freezing trap
Glyph of Wyvern Sting
traps will always be in use. mainly frost trap. there is always somewhere to put one so the extra critical chance on all targets effects is very nice when used with volley. Wyvern sting over Serpent. SPike damage is so high right now that id rather cc a healer more times in a min and burst down whoever than try and burst down someone with some healing or dispelling going on. The damage effect from wyvern isn't an issue. Freezing trap might be replaced with disengage or serpent. not sure yet.
Post by
Taedae
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cZ0xV0oZechiofIhxdAG0d
pvp surv spec for BG's.
Glyphs Include
Glyph of Frost trap
Glyph of freezing trap
Glyph of Wyvern Sting
traps will always be in use. mainly frost trap. there is always somewhere to put one so the extra critical chance on all targets effects is very nice when used with volley. Wyvern sting over Serpent. SPike damage is so high right now that id rather cc a healer more times in a min and burst down whoever than try and burst down someone with some healing or dispelling going on. The damage effect from wyvern isn't an issue. Freezing trap might be replaced with disengage or serpent. not sure yet.
what is so good about hawk eye for PVP specs? i have to know. someone inform me of the usefulness of it besides the obvious.
back to the spec:
hunting party is a no no for pvp IMHO. also, there is no sense for 3/3 noxious stings (2/3 is enough for pvp i think, like other specs). i know savage strikes will benefit you more over time than hawk eye would, so i would take 2 point from HE and put them in Savage strikes.
all in all, i would do
this
<---been changed since first posted
as for glyphs, i like these over freezing trap and wyvern sting....
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42898
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42903
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42904
Post by
karlusdavius
whats so good about deflection and counterstrike? there so, so situational! you should never be in melee range for longer than 5 seconds. and if you are your already dead. i chose HE simply for the hasted bonus it gives on proc. 15% increase in haste is very nice when your crit rating is very high.
Rep is important in both BG's and Arena if you are playing with a healer. It provides a godly amount of regen for them while casting. 2 points in this is more than enough.
GftT for me is also useless. my pet will not be doing the majority of the damage and to be honest if it dies then it will stay dead. being an annoyance is what i want. not for it do do dps.
Savage strikes is watsed. if anything, id put one point in wing clip. if your not going chain trapping then resourcefulness is wasted. mana cost isnt that high and im sure as hell not gonna be using melee that much to warrant using those talent points.
Survival is crit based. Not taking any points in EW or MT is just wasted.
Im not sure about Noxious stings. 2/3 might be enough. but if someone is stupid enough to dispel my sting. i want them to pay for it.
spending all those points in MM just to get GftT isn't worth it.
5% total health might be nice. is hitting around 19k health atm. 900 more wouldn't hurt.
you don't have that much int in PvP gear. Careful aim is just not needed.
so what you might think isn't a pvp viable spec. its actually got a pretty large amount of burst damage. Party utility in that if i run with a healer. Replenishment will be active. and enough CC to turn a fight very easily.
but ofc. my play style is completely different to yours.
Post by
Taedae
im not the best PVP. i know more about PvE than PvP. i will edit my OP to say that.
whats so good about deflection and counterstrike? there so, so situational! you should never be in melee range for longer than 5 seconds. and if you are your already dead. i chose HE simply for the hasted bonus it gives on proc. 15% increase in haste is very nice when your crit rating is very high.
what proc are you talking about? hawk eye doesnt give a proc.
Savage strikes is watsed. if anything, id put one point in wing clip. if your not going chain trapping then resourcefulness is wasted. mana cost isnt that high and im sure as hell not gonna be using melee that much to warrant using those talent points.
you did say you were trapping, so why not make sure you can lay traps faster? EW, to me, isnt worth getting. there are to many factors going into PVP that makes it less useful then resourcefulness and savage strikes, because i know you will be in melee sometimes longer than you expect. thats why i put counterattack and deflection in there as well. i do agree about GotT, dont ask me what i was thinking. you didnt take trap mastery, that is worth the 1 point for PVP or PVE for me.
so what you might think isn't a pvp viable spec. its actually got a pretty large amount of burst damage. Party utility in that if i run with a healer. Replenishment will be active. and enough CC to turn a fight very easily.
show me the part where i said it wasnt viable? you posted a spec that appently you didnt want advice on. did you just want to see what i would say?
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yes im getting confused with hawk eye. considering i have played with it most of the time i pvp, i like the range bonus i get, i feel uncomfortable not having this talent. As far as i no the Int values sits at around 500 with full pvp gear. 500 AP is nice but with 3.1k AP already id rather go with the 10% crit chance proc.
yes i mean hunting party. as yes i agree with the fact that things just aren't alive enough. however i run a lot of battlegrounds for fun. And HP is nice when fighting constantly for a flag or node. that said if were focusing on arena's then Rep isn't needed as much.
I'm not sure why i didn't take trap mastery tbh.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cZ0eVoohZechiofIhxdhroz-
that would be something i would use for arena. But like i said. i don't arena that much.
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