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they're all essentially the same. it's more dependent upon the healers, and which class they want to be healing.
gearing a feral druid for tanking takes about 2 days of heroic running, and you can tank 10 mans easy.
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dunno what druids you lot have had tanking for you but aoe tanking issues? Not that I have seen.
For that matter I have yet to see a warrior, pally or DK out-threat me. Or even come close for that matter. (though to be fair I have only raided with warrior & dk tanks)
I have compareable mitigation & avoidence to most tanks I have seen and always a helluva lot more health. Whats not to love about druids?
Dont even get me started on gearing them ;-)
Paladins have the highest threat generation in the game, bar none. They were always the best at AoE tanking, but obviously the other classes are much closer now than they used to be. As for single-target threat, they can sustain 8k TPS with no trouble - and if they're good, 10k+ sustained is not impossible. Of course, that is only until they nerf the ability to use two different ranks of Shield of Righteousness.
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If you're going to go with a warrior, make sure they like to tank.
I hear a lot of whining since a lot of them have tanked their entire warrior-career. Nothing worse than having a whining MT, lazy on pulls, etc.
Pay attention to the player behind the class, maybe the warriors I meet are just whiny, I know I didn't like to tank on warrior, that's why I switched to paladin in BC and now a DK in wotlk.
And really the naxx bosses are a lot of times better for a DK than anyone else. The bosses for example that disable all parry/dodge/block skills. Well DK can put icefortitude on every one of those and reduce damage by 50%. A warrior can't block it same as DK, but the shield wall is on a much longer cooldown, so unlike DK warrior cannot reduce damage every time.
Really any boss which has pre-determined time of a ton of damage is best tanked with a DK. (The female boss with 4 adds - 6 on heroic - who enrages every couple of minutes, until the add is killed/mc'd - same thing DK can just use cooldowns and take normal damage during enrages vs. spike damage that all other classes take.)
But I'm not saying DK's are superior, I'm just saying don't fixate on a specific class. If you want a warrior, take one, but keep your ears open for whining.
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I have a pally, and have tanked with all the different tanking classes, and healed all the different tanking classes in heroics and raids.
As far as threat generation-
Druid>pally>warrior>DK
Warriors have to taunt off me if I'm using a full tanking rotation. They used to be kings of single target tps, but not anymore. =)
As far as who can take the most beating, that's still undecided. From my experience for durability-
Pally>warrior>DK>druid
But, warriors are complicated, and I've healed some DK's that seamed to never need heals, same as some druids(T7.5 fully valorious druid was the only really good one I've seen so far, and others are nowhere near as geared).
As far as my tanking scale goes-
1)Pally- Most durable, practical, and most difficult to be bad at(probably the most boring to tank with as well, but you are always pressing a button with the new system, so it's no too horrible).
2)Warrior- In the right hands, is a very good tank. They have been around for ages tho, so you would expect it.
3)Druid- Massive health pools still. Good aoe abilities. Still seem squishy. Even really well geared druid tanks in higher content seem to sponge up my heals. A bit difficult to be good at, but the flexibility of play style in the druid class bumps their viability IMO.
4)DK- Good DKs are excelent, very durable tanks. They have a bad reputation atm because a lot of people don't know how to tank with them. This makes it hard to get a group as a tank, but you can still DPS in tanking spec, and PVP can be loads of fun with lots of immunities and abilities to help you out. Don't get discouraged with the DK. People will come around after the jealousy stage is over(which will probably be never, but eh....).
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Well DK can put icefortitude on every one of those and reduce damage by 50%.
IBF is getting nerfed next patch to 20% and now scales with def rating
IBF nerfed in 3.0.8 yes, but the damage reduction will be 35% for 540def, so it's still a very large reduction in damage.
The frost presence is getting buffed from 60% to 80% though.
Lets take a 7k hit (which I think is normal on me in nax with no cooldowns) at 62% damage reduction (got lucky with some gear recently).
I believe that's 18.4k before armor mitigation.
Currently with 50% IBF the hit becomes 3.5k
In patch with 35% IBF damage will be 4.55k
But, the question is, will I get more damage mitigation from 80% increase in armor than 1k extra with 35% IBF? No, the answer is no, but it won't be that full 1k extra either.
Still 35% damage reduction at predictable enrages ain't bad.
If you're going with traditional tanks, I'll rate paladin as #1. However sufficiently geared bear is great since the large health pull and predictable damage (vs spiky damage of lesser-hp tanks) makes it a bit easier to heal.
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Your best bet tank is the worst tank.
DK's are
not
tanks. Currently, they're an off-tank at best. The amount of DK's that are on par with other tank classes are so few and far between, it's the same as "My friend's brothers, friend, has a sister that has a cousin that is the MT of his guild on KT all the time.
Warrior's do fine at keeping threat in end game. Pally's do fine at keeping threat in end game. Druids aren't bad at all
in the right hands.
Pick w/e you like. Except a DK as a tank. Because they're not.
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Sakkura
Having more threat generation then another tank class is completely irrelevant. If you are getting out TPS'd as a tank in WOTLK then you need to delete your tanking gear and find a new game tbh....
Which class does more threat then the other is immaterial because all 4 do surplus threat......
Go do Malygos with properly geared DPSers. Threat is not an issue most places, but some places it definitely can be. Besides which, if you are supposed to MT and the paladin is supposed to OT, you will be in trouble if the paladin does twice as much threat as you do, since he will end up grabbing aggro. Unless you want to force him to slow down for you, thus hurting raid DPS.
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