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I have to agree with Holysword. FoL is our #1 heal. Unless you have a 75% crit rating(which is unheard of), you WILL go oom spamming HL on a 3 minute or longer fight.
FoL is my heal in raids. Holy shock is off healing a dps at half or less. HL is on reserve for certain fights, and certain situations. It does have it's uses, yes, but I try to keep FoL flowing, rather than bursting with big heals. That's what G heal, healing wave, and HT are for, since they are spamming aoe heals, and watching the tank for signs of dropping. Being efficient, and being able to heal continuously for 10 minutes is what paladins are good at. I leave the HoT's to the druids and priests.
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and as for the nerf with the glyph I disagree as I was able to heal HoL without running out of the lightning nova on the last boss at lvl76. and I had it glyphed then.
I healed HoL reg at 77 as ret.... I had 1250 sp with Might on(extra SP from attack power), 1050 on gear. That is by no means a test of the glyphs viability.
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The problem with your style of HL over FoL, is you typically don't need a HL. If your tank needs 10-16k heals every 1.5 seconds, you need to have a talk with him about his gear. There are very few fights where that kind of healing is needed atm. The stam of tanks right now make a fight like that very dangerous, and completely luck based on whether the tank lives or dies. Personally, I want to see your over healing vs actual healing if you are spamming HL all the time. You have to have well over 50% wasted over healing. That's a lot of mana for a small amount of healing. Typically, with a descent tank in 25 man even, an over all view of the entire raid will take about 1500-2k hps from you, and 2500-3k hps from your aoe healers. If you can't get those numbers from FoL spamming, you are doing something wrong. Have you checked your WWS on over healing? And what is actually doing the over healing, and compared it to your actual healing?
Just my 2c, if you are spamming HL, and getting good hps for the effort(4200 hps or more with the stats you are talking about), you have some definite heal sponges in your raid. Get that 40k hp ice geared rogue off the tanking list. Our big number healers are doing 2500-3200 hps(5200 burst hps with a lot of aoe) over the span of the raid by healing FIVE TARGETS or more at a time. If I spam FoL with beacon up, I get 3600 hps on patchwerk. With HL spamming without a glyph, and basically ALL my heals getting thru and healing the target, I put out about 4800 hps over a fight. This is probably closer to 5800-6k hps when I'm spamming HL on one target. No tank ever needs that much healing from one healer.
Your right we are better at single target healing but in Wrath no one wants a single target healer any more, and with everything in raiding right now being AoE based the AoE healers are needed. I know going into naxx and I had a choice between AoE heals and a pally healer that can't do any AoE healing what so ever with the same spell power and ability I would take the AoE healer and you would be SoL so to out right turn down any possibility of getting a HoT or being able to AoE heal you are going to be left behind as you are not needed at this point in time.
This is completely false and hearsay. Yes, you can get the job done with other healers. But pallies are built for it. That's like taking a winebego to the daytona 500. Sure, you can do it, but it's gonna be sloppy while doing it.
Also, any pally that can't handle healing 5-10 people aren't worth their toon. Priests in TBC were skipping CoH in 10 mans because it wasn't needet. NOT NEEDED! Get Gomer's thumb outa his azz and tell him to learn to heal.
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What does overhealing have to do with anything if you aren't going OOM? I have yet to recieve additional loot for the raid if my overhealing stayed under a certain percentage...
Caring about overhealing is so BWL...
My whole argument with the FoL glyph is that you can't just say NEVER EVER EVER use it... there are certain playstyles that might get a benefit. You say another healer can do the raid healing or aoe healing... well not everyone gets to run with that kind of a setup.
hmmm.... how about a 3 healadin setup?
#1 Mt healer. Bacon on OT.
#2 OT healer. Bacon on MT.
#3 Raid. Takes Fol glyph and spams the bejesus outta everyone.. keepin up the hot.
Sound feasable?
P.S.
WOW is crack
(just cant seem to keep away....)
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It's not a matter of the numbers really, it's a matter of the waste. I'm pretty sure we will have some HL spam fights in the next raid set, but right now it's a whole lot of wasted stats. I guess if you're trying to clear 25 man with 3 healers, it could be a good way to heal, but a normal raid is not dependent on one healer spamming huge heals. Not even patchwerk. Neither will you get anywhere close to the amount of healing you are actually healing to a health bar. IMO, if you are so leet, stack a ton of haste and spam everything with smaller heals so you will actually show something of use to the raid for your effort.
My take on this (I will use numbers so it's easier to understand)-
-A raid with good aoe healers will put a pally around 2400-3200 hps over the whole raid depending on how much decursing, and raid utility that pally actually is. Spamming FoL with beacon, I can get around 5200 hps or so actual healing I'm putting out, and about 3600 shows up on the meters, which is plenty to keep a tank up because, oh yeah, that's my job, I have plenty of mana to spread around. The raid doesn't depend on me solo healing a target, so I can decurse and raid heal when aoe gets rough and the tank is staying up easily, which is the case 99% of the time in current content.
-A raid with a HL spammer with good aoe healers, you are healing 5600-6800 hps at least, and still showing 3200-4k hps on the meters if you are solo healing the tank. You also end up with less mana at the end of each fight, and don't contribute with raid heals, only melee heals. FoL glyph will gimp your heals in the area of raid AND tank heals to an extreme that is something I don't think you comprehend.
But, keep the ability around for sure. It may very well be a requirement with the next content patch. I'm just saying wasted mana is wasted mana. That might be why they have all these crappy HL boosting librams and no FoL boosting librams as well(except for the pvp libram). But for current content, it's a novelty more than a utility IMO. How much healing do you actually show on the meters? This meaning average boss fights, and overall data. As of right now, Naxx seems to be more gimmick comprehension to be successful rather than brute force.
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Eh, I'm tired of this. I'm not arguing about possible ways to heal. I'm saying FoL is more useful as is. Most of my over healing comes from JoL, or not getting the heal off before someone else on a raid heal.
I'm saying if you need to HL spam in current content, something is wrong, or you just have a different setup. HL spamming takes the "stress" off some other healers, and makes said pally the sole healer for the tank.
I will say, the "YoYo" effect from this would make most tanks nervous as hell.
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