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Post by
blademeld
Please....For those who deny the real-life efffect in-game,Would they explain how far would be the Spell named (Shield of the templar) from the christianity ?
lolwut?
Templar has other meanings than the Christian army in the 12th century.
Yes...There is alot of other things in game,If you want to share them with me..You are welcomed.
Let's see, the human race, wow! They're common with the real world, therefore they must be implying that we were created by titans and old gods!
/end sarcasm
As an example....At the spell animation of the "Hand of freedom" you can clearly see the alpha and omega symbols.
Alpha and omega are the main symbol of God in the bible and i don't have time for you to give a link...Just search for Alpha and Omega and any wiki.
Alpha Omega are referenced in many other things
example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_et_Omega
omg, it's from wiki, what a suprise.
Ps.
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=1044#screenshots:id=110467
Not alpha omega in the graphics if you look carefully
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96875
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Post by
blademeld
are they references to religion? Yes
Umm, yes, because as aformentioned, Light is a religion in Warcraft.
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Post by
Verdigris
Well at the beginning of BC blood elf paladins were stealing the powers of the Naaru. Naaru are beings of light in the shape of Ankhs, a symbol of Egyption religion. Ra is the Sun god(Light).
As for the term paladin
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O27-paladin.html
Refers to the Count Palatine and twelve peers of Charlemagne's court.
Post by
xaratherus
As an example....At the spell animation of the "Hand of freedom" you can clearly see the alpha and omega symbols.
Alpha and omega are the main symbol of God in the bible and i don't have time for you to give a link...Just search for Alpha and Omega and any wiki.
And yet again, your argument falls over because you only look at the aspect of a thing that supports your argument to the exclusion of the other meanings.
Alpha and Omega are letters of the Greek alphabet as well.
Next?
but honestly people.. come on... everything about a paladin points to Christianity.. "blessings" "divine intervention" "the light" "righteousness" "libram" "consecration" "EXORCISM" "lay on hands" "salvation"
And many other religions - some of which predate Christianity - use these same terms, or similar.
A "blessing", in a religious sense, is a gift or boon granted by a deity or holy person.
"Divine Intervention" is the concept of a deity taking direct action in the affairs of mortals.
"The Light" is by no means a Christian-only concept. Long before the Carpenter supposedly walked the Earth, people were worshipping the sun - the light - as a deity.
"Libram" is, in fact, a made-up word that appears to have gained a foothold with the popularity of D&D. It's based on the Latin root "liber".
I could go on and show that every term you've pointed to as evidence of Christianity in WoW is, in fact, not Christian in basis at all.
I won't argue that religion is non-existent in WoW. What I will argue, vehemently and logically, is that it must be based on Christianity. Christianity is an amalgam of hundreds of beliefs, rituals, and traditions that predate its existence by hundreds of years. That doesn't make it wrong - but for Bog's sake, don't try to stick your fingers in your ears and argue that these items are the sole territory of Christianity, because you're absolutely incorrect.
Post by
Sherif
The eyes see what they want to see....I wonder why do the defenders of the light in wow still pray at churches and cathedrals if their religion or philosophy does'nt refer to christianity !
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Post by
xaratherus
The eyes see what they want to see
Yes - yours definitely do. Some of us, however, can look at things with a fair and logical eye.
....I wonder why do the defenders of the light in wow still pray at churches and cathedrals if their religion or philosophy does'nt refer to christianity !
Your weak-kneed argument has already had its legs amputated. At least that will make it easier for you to kneel at one of the many churches that have absolutely nothing to do with Christianity - y'know, the thousands upon thousands of houses of worship that you apparently ignore to reinforce your false sense of the exclusivity of Christianity?
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Post by
Lightrain
Sherif, as well as some others are mistaking
symbolism
with
symbols
and
characters
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Go ahead, look them up. I'll wait..
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This is my speach. Read it if you like. =)
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Before you get hooked on the "religious" reference of these terms, GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR RELIGIOUS PROGRAMMING YOU MORON!
Alpha and Omega are symbols and characters. Blizz could replace them with stars or pound signs, but then it would have no relation to reality(or your beloved religion).
Just like the crosses. They could put star of david up there, or whatever symbols Budhists or Muslims use. They actually do reference those as well, but you are stull stuck on christianity.
Just because you relate symbols and characters to your religion, has nothing to do with what blizzard is using them for or the value they place on them
IN THE GAME
!
This is fantasy land. This isn't a leap into your bible. If they had Muslim symbols all over the game, they would be pushing off MILLIONS of players because, oh yeah, America is one of the largest technology using nations. All the hippies(including the new christians. Yes, YOU ARE A HIPPIE!) would rather read a book than play something that relates to the muslim religion. To us, it's associated to terrorism and war.
The crusifix, alpha and omega, paladin, priest, all tie your happy little hippie brain to your religion, and make the game warm and fuzzy and very inviting to your weak ego/faith.
Why would blizzard do a thing like tie religious symbols and some partial ideas into a video game?
Because they aren't stupid. They also didn't express any specific religion and left it open to YOUR egotistical interperetation. If those symbols were replaced with generic symbols, it would be too much fantacy, and it wouldn't relate to "our" world as much, and would seem more alien or "cartoon-ish".
Take it as you will, stop trolling please.
We know you are trolling because, oh yeah, you "speak" or type in single sentences. However, we are obliging it because it's entertaining for us computer geeks to pick religious geeks to shreds. It's a hobby....
Yes, I was born and raised christian. Yes, I am still a God fearing man. No, I don't go to church anymore. No, I don't associate myself with your beliefs, because mine are the same, but I choose a more "realistic", more so, self implimented set of ethics to live by rather than read a book over and over again, and devote my life to the words on a few pages and listening to a pious hypocrite every week.
The end. =)
Post by
Lightrain
Blizzard cannot have christianity in their game, that would be promoting a religion, thereby indirectically discriminating against every other religion.
Lines like this make me cringe.
That is why blizz left the line alone. It makes everyone queezy to have these un necessary issues come about.
What is it with everyone thinking that we can sue a frigging staircase if we stub our toe on it these days?
Rofl! I love this statement. =)
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96875
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Post by
Lightrain
Yes, it makes bible fearing beliefs more comfortable with the game. Who knows, it may put some of them off too.
I'm saying it's relating to real life, and most Americans and Europeans believe in bible based religions. I'm not sure about the Korean, Chinese, and Japanese populations tho.
I'm also saying that blizzard didn't, and never will relate a game to God or the Bible because of the fuzzy line religion brings. Thank the lawyers and freedom of speach. That's like the stupid thing about the "gay" book those kids were reading in school that was plastered all over the news.
Symbolizing and relating to or paralelling topics is different than expressing and including topics.
Have you noticed what the majority of the WoW population consists of?
The whole thread is a troll. And yes, he's trolling his troll to keep it going.
Post by
xaratherus
come on from terms like exorcism.. titles like archbishop... places like the cathedrals.. wars deemed crusades.. characters gaining wings.... plagues.. corruption.. greed...
Exorcism, holy wars, winged deities, plagues brought down by a god, corruption and greed, all exist in other religions - from the teachings of Mohammed to Native American naturalist beliefs. We already discussed the word "cathedral" earlier. Bishop is a primarily Christian term, I can't argue that.
its just the character... evolved in fiction... that has a lot of similarities to something we all can understand and have probably seen at one time or another... this makes even more believable... and intresting if you ask me.. but that story that it holds similarities too and gets most of its character (and no i dont mean characters) is the story of the roman catholic church... face it or dont... no difference.. but when you can show me anything... even something that pallies ...reflect something even 1/10th the likes of Christianity or the roman catholic church ... ill gladly take my fingers out of my ears and /listen.
I already did: The Paladins of World of Warcraft have
far
more in common with the Paladins of Dungeons and Dragons lore. Do Paladins exist in our reality? Yes. Was the concept of a Paladin - a heavily-armed and -armored knight crusading for and blessed with the power of a deity - based on the Paladins of the Christian Crusade? More than likely.
That doesn't mean that the WoW Paladin is Christian, anymore than the Druids of WoW lore are directly and immediately connected to the Druids of Celtic history. They are unique entities that may have a basis in something that comes from our reality, but they are
not
those things, nor are they meant to represent those things.
You might as well argue that Vlad Tepes (or Vlad the Impaler), the most commonly-recognized source of vampiric legend (or at least of the character of Dracula) was an immortal blood-sucker who could only be killed by a stake through the heart. The vampires of our modern day fiction are a far cry from the actual source material, and have as little to do with Vlad III, Prince of Wallachia as the Paladins of WoW have to do with the Crusades of the Roman Catholic Church.
but come on a little book the pally draws holy power from.. whatever could that be...
Perhaps the Qu'ran? The Hindu Vedas? The Tipitaka of Buddhism? The Egyptian "Spells of Coming" (more commonly known as "The Book of the Dead")?
It is this pomposity of thought, and the arrogance of the followers of the "One True God" that gets a lot of non-Christians up in arms.
Post by
Lightrain
It is this pomposity of thought, and the arrogance of the followers of the "One True God" that gets a lot of non-Christians up in arms.
And vice versa. =)
Post by
blademeld
The idea that if it did so it would somehow be discriminating is laughable.
Get a dictionary and look up the word "discrimination"
It means to take away opportunity, and by promoting one religion in the game, you are thereby taking away the opportunity of all other religions to spread in the same manner.
People who can't use English, but uses it in an argument, makes me cringe.
Same answer as above. You would have ZERO legal standing to sue a company for its product that you have the choice to play or not play.
What is it with everyone thinking that we can sue a frigging staircase if we stub our toe on it these days?
Blizzard has liability given they have promoted one without notifying the user beforehand, in other words, if a person buys WoW, plays it, finds it offensive due to religion, it's in Blizzard's responsibility for the cost of the game (nothing else though)
Just because people are entitled not to use a service, doesn't mean they can't sue for negligence, the case that pops up in my mind is a case where a cable company provided free cable service to a family, and was sued. The said company lost the case. Can I link you it? Not really, apparently it was a small case and I can't find it online.
Do you know why people think they can sue the staircase for stubbing their toe? Because without standard shapes and signs, they are liable.
Post by
Lightrain
I don't think it would be negligence. More of a misinformation. I can't remember the legal term atm.... >.<
This would create issues with the athiests. Them and their changing the pledge of allegance and all that crap. Their "right to not be influenced or have their kids be influenced" by publicly accessible information without being warned. But that is void as it is not forced on them, they have to buy the game. They may sue for lack of "expressed warning" stating there is religious propaganda in it. But there isn't any, and thus, can't happen. The symbols aren't enough. You need the words outright expressed. Hence why they do not name ANY gods of ANY religion or theism.
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