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As a healer how much dps can I expect from my group
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Post by
Gorgangio
From a DK tank perspective whenever i used to do normal dungeons in Northrend i always managed to do 30-35% of the damage with around 1100-1200 DPS. And most DPS getting around 1000-1100 DPS but doing a lot less damage.
Now im doing HC's i have been with people getting as low as 650 DPS! And on some fights it is impossible to complete as it is the DPS's fault. Most people i see still only seem to be able to get 1100 odd. I grouped with 3-4 people in my guild. A DPS Deathknight and our offtank Deathknight who was using blood presence. We also got a PuG mage and our pally healer. Now i can really see a difference. (We did Gundrak, HoS and Violet Hold) My DPS was about 1300 average from all these 3 and as high as 1400 when we did HoS. Our offtank DeathKnight was getting 1500 DPS in tank gear and tank specced as such! Our DPS deathknight was getting around 1800 DPS as well as the mage.
I think most of the low DPS boils down to people not knowing how to play the class and it makes me sad people being able to get this high DPS on death knights when they have only been out for a month and people with classes that have been out 4 years still not knowing how to play theirs.
Also in one instance i ran we had a feral druid who only did 4x as much damage as the pally healer!
Post by
manicmania
Also in one instance i ran we had a feral druid who only did 4x as much damage as the pally healer!
Feral dps is notorious for not being as high
as it should be
Post by
Jeremypwnz
This is sad when DPSers with decent gear cant get over 1k. I'm lvl 76 and pushing out 1400 DPS. I'm pretty much doubling the DMG of most of the people in my groups. i sit around 40-60% dmg somehow.
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Post by
Squishums
If you kick me because my dps is in your opinion too low, let me check something quick. Yep your a healer, its none of your business. If we clear it, i dont care what my numbers are. Who does? Its a heroic, its more than likely a pug, and even though its cool to lead meters, it doesnt matter in the slightest.
You keep me alive, ill make sure stuff dies.
That took quite a bit of balls to insult a healer...let me cut them off for you.
fact of the matter is hes trying to decide how to gear and spec himself...whether its more spell power or intellect..spirit or spell crit.
If its a pug, it shouldnt matter as much cause a little less than half of the time pugs wipe just on trash.
Secondly he wasn't asking you in particular, so theres no need to make a statement such as "you keep me alive and I will kill things" Because that sounds quite hostile...Would you say that to someone in a pug, or even a group of friends? no, cause they would kick your ass quicker than you can say "omgz I'm winning on threat!"
thirdly, since you seem to lack common knowledge of any heroics...mabey you should think about getting to 70-80 for any heroics, cause the aforementioned lack of knowledge wouldn't spew from an experienced raiders mouth.
And btw, I'm not looking at this point again, just defending the thread writter and leaving it at that.
ok, have a nice day
idget
.
First off, I wasn't asking you to open your mouth and spout off like your king awesome when your just some scrub on a forum taking shots at a DPS player voicing an opinion about how and when dps meters should be brought up in a pug. Which is never. Go QQ on your guild forums if what i said makes you buttsore.
His job is to get the best gear he can before he steps into content he doesn't know a damn thing about. If he has time to read these forums, as well as post, I'm sure in a 15 minutes of searching he could find out what he needs. My response of all he needs to worry about is keeping me alive is true. ITS HIS MOST IMPORTANT JOB. What dps me, the tank, or the afk rogue do is absolutely none of his business. If hes watching recount, hes not healing.
You aren't my friend, and if one of them did tell me to step up dps in a pug, i would guess i forgot how to play over the last month. Its a joke. Heroics in wrath are bout as hard as regs were in BC. you can faceroll yourself to 1200 dps.
Third. Your a moron. Please don't waste time posting if your going to attack people. I thought his idea of monitoring dps was wrong, and i stated so. I didn't get into a mud slinging match because i need to flex my epeen.
And as far as gear and knowledge. Ive cleared all the 25 man raid content in wrath since the 8th, what have you done lately? Next time you "take a stand for healers" sound less like a inbred 13 year old mashing his face into the keyboard and more like someone that has the mind to argue a point like this.(there's a spell checker for a reason nub)
Good day sir.
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Post by
Draconia
I think you guys are seriously underestimating how much melee dps and esp tank dps has gone up in WOTLK while casters have almost the exact tools as before.
Post by
Gorgangio
If you kick me because my dps is in your opinion too low, let me check something quick. Yep your a healer, its none of your business. If we clear it, i dont care what my numbers are. Who does? Its a heroic, its more than likely a pug, and even though its cool to lead meters, it doesnt matter in the slightest.
You keep me alive, ill make sure stuff dies.
That took quite a bit of balls to insult a healer...let me cut them off for you.
fact of the matter is hes trying to decide how to gear and spec himself...whether its more spell power or intellect..spirit or spell crit.
If its a pug, it shouldnt matter as much cause a little less than half of the time pugs wipe just on trash.
Secondly he wasn't asking you in particular, so theres no need to make a statement such as "you keep me alive and I will kill things" Because that sounds quite hostile...Would you say that to someone in a pug, or even a group of friends? no, cause they would kick your ass quicker than you can say "omgz I'm winning on threat!"
thirdly, since you seem to lack common knowledge of any heroics...mabey you should think about getting to 70-80 for any heroics, cause the aforementioned lack of knowledge wouldn't spew from an experienced raiders mouth.
And btw, I'm not looking at this point again, just defending the thread writter and leaving it at that.
ok, have a nice day
idget
.
First off, I wasn't asking you to open your mouth and spout off like your king awesome when your just some scrub on a forum taking shots at a DPS player voicing an opinion about how and when dps meters should be brought up in a pug. Which is never. Go QQ on your guild forums if what i said makes you buttsore.
His job is to get the best gear he can before he steps into content he doesn't know a damn thing about. If he has time to read these forums, as well as post, I'm sure in a 15 minutes of searching he could find out what he needs. My response of all he needs to worry about is keeping me alive is true. ITS HIS MOST IMPORTANT JOB. What dps me, the tank, or the afk rogue do is absolutely none of his business. If hes watching recount, hes not healing.
You aren't my friend, and if one of them did tell me to step up dps in a pug, i would guess i forgot how to play over the last month. Its a joke. Heroics in wrath are bout as hard as regs were in BC. you can faceroll yourself to 1200 dps.
Third. Your a moron. Please don't waste time posting if your going to attack people. I thought his idea of monitoring dps was wrong, and i stated so. I didn't get into a mud slinging match because i need to flex my epeen.
And as far as gear and knowledge. Ive cleared all the 25 man raid content in wrath since the 8th, what have you done lately? Next time you "take a stand for healers" sound less like a inbred 13 year old mashing his face into the keyboard and more like someone that has the mind to argue a point like this.(there's a spell checker for a reason nub)
Good day sir.
So when your healer cant heal through when the boss enrages that's completely his fault
I think you guys are seriously underestimating how much melee dps and esp tank dps has gone up in WOTLK while casters have almost the exact tools as before.
Every caster i come across has been far superior to melee so hush please :)
Post by
SeaOfHoles
If you kick me because my dps is in your opinion too low, let me check something quick. Yep your a healer, its none of your business. If we clear it, i dont care what my numbers are. Who does? Its a heroic, its more than likely a pug, and even though its cool to lead meters, it doesnt matter in the slightest.
You keep me alive, ill make sure stuff dies.
But, it's not that simple. As a Healer, DPS is very important to me.
We tried to 4man Ingvar the other day. Couldn't get it done. My mana pool + regen wasn't big enough to overcome the -25% hit to DPS. We added a 5th, it was cake. So, I think a Healer has every right to expect a certain level of DPS, otherwise, it's just fail.
Post by
Blackboy0
But, it's not that simple. As a Healer, DPS is very important to me.
We tried to 4man Ingvar the other day. Couldn't get it done. My mana pool + regen wasn't big enough to overcome the -25% hit to DPS. We added a 5th, it was cake. So, I think a Healer has every right to expect a certain level of DPS, otherwise, it's just fail.
DPS is important to everyone :P Without DPS, it'd just be a tank and a healer, and that would take
forever
. Though, only the Tank should be getting Aggro and be getting heals. If the DPS are getting hit (and it's not an AoE), ask your Tank if he could hold aggro more.
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