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Warlock Guide: Talents & Specs for WotLK 3.0.3
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Post by
Blightman
Hey blightman, because I am lazy I am not going to quote you on it. However for your Demonic Empathy talent you linked the entire description of it and not ever saying what it was.
PvP: 1
PvE(Instance): 2
PvE(Solo): 2
Comments: The DPS boost is small. It does not trigger off of your pet's auto-attacks only their spells/abilities. So with the FG only intercept and cleave trigger it. Recommend skipping until improved.
That is what it looks like so far, I guess I did kind of quote it even though I have never been able to make it appear who it was from.
Fixed, thank you. was missing a closing ]
FYI: To quote something
{open bracket}quote <name>{close bracket}
{open bracket} =
<name> = person being quoted.
Or you cna click the quote link and cut away the extra stuff :)
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Post by
orloxgr
I didnt read all the comments so excuse me if its allready said. I would rate Improved Felhunter 4/5 for soloing as affliction and 3 for instances. With this talent fellpuppy is a better mana battery than imp and his buff is more effective of the mages one. Also a raiding aff lock has to have 5/5 at neverending affliction. You have to be sure that your corruption is refreshed. You allready have to watch many timers....
An affliction lock by birth :D
Post by
Blightman
I didnt read all the comments so excuse me if its allready said. I would rate Improved Felhunter 4/5 for soloing as affliction and 3 for instances. With this talent fellpuppy is a better mana battery than imp and his buff is more effective of the mages one.
Not sure what you are unhappy with on Imporved Felhunter, it is rated as 5 for all PvE action once you have Dark Pact. It is only rated a 1 without Dark Pact
Also a raiding aff lock has to have 5/5 at neverending affliction. You have to be sure that your corruption is refreshed. You allready have to watch many timers....
An affliction lock by birth :D
I will give a more detailed breakdown later but in short 5 talent points to prevent a 1.5s(max) GCD every 18s does not sound like the best use of talent points. The affliction tree is rather large making point choice crucial. Putting those 5 points into iSB could probably generate more DPS than 5/5 Everlasting Affliction(Again I'll try and get some real numbers for this not just spout opinions)
In addition, EA is currently bugged:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12368276858&sid=1
Basically the refreshed Corruption is weaker than the original corruption. I will add a note about that under the talent
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Post by
irharry
I asked on one of my last posts and never actually got an answer, how do i report this for a sticky? I would like to be able to do this for I believe it is a very nice addition and it is time to take Nef's off from the top.
errm... check the previous page, the post following your question was the answer :)
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Post by
Blightman
Ok, have added in spec. I expect I will get a lot of feedback on them :)
Post by
Schmerzgeber
On the pvp spec - No Frailty, no Bane - the points are better spent elsewhere.
Get Dark Pact. *facepalm*
Get Improved Life Tap.
Everlasting Affliction is good.
Shadow Embrace is good.
The two aren't -must haves- per se, but they're still options.
We're not going to have a set pvp spec for a while, I think. It's all preference, but I definitely wouldn't have Frailty, Bane, no Dark Pact, and no Improved Life Tap.
Don't count out Improved Fel Hunter either.
Post by
Blightman
On the pvp spec - No Frailty, no Bane - the points are better spent elsewhere.
Get Dark Pact. *facepalm*
Get Improved Life Tap.
Everlasting Affliction is good.
Shadow Embrace is good.
The two aren't -must haves- per se, but they're still options.
We're not going to have a set pvp spec for a while, I think. It's all preference, but I definitely wouldn't have Frailty, Bane, no Dark Pact, and no Improved Life Tap.
Don't count out Improved Fel Hunter either.
Frailty - picked this assuming you have decent pvp gear and don't need the hit cap from suppression, the threat reduction from improved drain soul. You could move it to iLT. The only thing fraility brings is a frown to big red kitties.
Everlasting Affliction is not good for PvP 5 points for marginal DPS increase and auto-refreshing corruption. Especially bugged where the refreshed corruption is weaker than the original corruption. The 1st 3 points of malediction provide more spell damage than the 1st 3 points of EA, arguably the spell damage boost from 3/3 malediction is greater than the spell damage boost from 5/5 EA as amlediction boosts all spells while EA only boosts 3 spells.
Shadow Embrace, ok this one can be much better than Bane, Fixed.
iLT and DP are worth more in BGs than in arenas. Anyway I have takent the points from malediction(dropping 3% spell damage boost) for 2/2 iFelhunter and Dark Pact to make a more generic PvP build
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Post by
Blightman
I like your specs as they are. I am looking at trying some of them to see how they do, however my current gear level is not the best for the optimal damage that each could produce.
Thanks, and yes your gear can definitely influence how each spec performs. Also kep in mind that group/raid composition will influence performance as well. Emp Imp for example scales more with raids than most talents since both you and your pet will be getting any raid crit bonuses.
One thing that would be nice and make your guide easier to use is the table of contents, you have Aff with a link but everything else is just white. Any chance you can fix that.
It is on the TODO list that I have in the main post.
Glyph for any PvP builds:
Glyph of Fear
Glyph of Death Coil
Glyph of Healthstone
Glyph of Healthstone is not a fine leather belt, i dont think it could ever compare to the amazing ability that is having a fine leather belt.
LMAO, Fixed.
FYI:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42462
= the Glyph
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=4246
= the belt.
I am looking at a spec to try out and it is currently
this
I would like to be able to raid and we already have well geared eley shamans and priests in our raid group. What do you guys think of this or have you heard anything. Currently I am not hit capped.
You need to add your talent link again it, it has no points right now which would severely reduce your DPS :)
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Post by
Blightman
There are some points that can move around but I did not pick up Demonic Pact because we already have a demo lock running and they have it with more spell power at this current time.
Good, also shammys and priests will overwrite it.
EUREKA!
I have found it at last.
A question though I do have as raiding as Demo, would you use Soul Link for boss fights or not seeing how you want the demon to stay alive to add to your DPS? I was just thinking about this because I have never actually raided as Demo before.
Use Soul Link:
Pet doesn't have durability loss
You can resummon with Fel Domination if need be
If you die he despawns, if he dies you don't
The point in DS is going to be very useless to you as a FG lock. Either finish out iHS or take 2/2 HF either way will get you higher up in the tree.
At most gear levels, you should see that using meta as a +damage trinket will give more DPS than Devastation in boss fights. In a 6m fight you will get 2 amped CoDs and a full minute of +20% damage to corruption, immolate and SB. Remember that meta can be stacked with a SP trinket for nice gains on CoD. The total damage for CoD is calculated at cast time so pop trinket and meta before casting it.
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Post by
Blightman
So something like
this
is what you are talking about. It gives up Shadowburn and Devastation for the two points to get Meta. I liked the idea of having DS for when there was just really no other option for keeping your minion alive and it could still be useful to you in some way.
So with this spec you are looking at CoD as your main curse while casting immo and corruption, all the while spamming SB and keeping your minion alive. So I am guessing you would recommend popping meta and a trinket at the beginning of the fight then casting CoD like that?
Edit: Is it worth dropping a point in the destro side to pick up shadowburn?
Something like that. personally I would take 1 point in Demonic Empathy over 1 point in iHS but both work.
Yes put on strongest CoD you can at start then corrup immo SB spam. Demo is easiest lock build right now. Fel Synergy should heal your pet a lot.
Shadowburn is great pvp and so-so pve, especially for a demo lock
Post by
Blightman
Ok, this should be finished now or at least until the next patch.
If you like it report it for sticky.
If you don't post here what you don't like :)
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