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Kappajoe's Grand Grimoire (Leveling Guide, You Say?)
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asakawa
we've had some problems with this macro before kappa.
the macro he posted is:
* showtooltip#
/channel Drain Life
this doesn't work for a couple of reasons.
firstly the command to show the tooltip of the spell used is: #showtooltip(no asterisk and the hash sign at the start)
it's also good for people to get in the habit of specifying which spell you want to see the tooltip of so:
#showtooltip drain life
that's not important for this macro since it's only referencing a single spell but a good habit for later when making complicated macros.
next is that there isn't a command "/channel"
from what i remember of the previous macro which also didn't work kappa was trying to make a macro that you could spam without clipping so if you cast DL while you're already channelling it won't do anything.
the macro to achieve that is:
#showtooltip
/cast drain life
the command is /cast and the bit in the square brackets is checking that you're not already channelling that specific spell before it allows the cast to occur.
i would say that personally i don't find a great deal of use for a macro like this. you use drain life quite a bit while levelling so if it's something people find useful then that's cool but there's far less use for a drain life one as there is for mind flay (priests) with it's relatively much shorter channel time.
you simply don't have to spam DL, it's a long enough cast to time i in my opinion.
Post by
TheVorago
Though.... if I was going to level entirely through the dungeon finder I'd use destro or afflic I think. Probably afflic till I could get ISL.
@Asakawa
Im thinking he meant he'd level as affliction, but only to the point where iSL becomes available in the destro tree, and then change trees to destro ;)
Post by
DraconisAerius
That is indeed what I meant. Personally I don't enjoy afflic as much as destro or demo. It's not as visually pleasing. I mean really, what is better than a great bolt a green fire obliterating your enemies?
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Post by
lonephoenix
Kappa,
I noticed this in your guide, and I found it a bit backwards:
At level 41-50, You mention that taking Master Conjurer along with the Quick Decay glyph will generate huge haste bonuses, greatly increased DPS by means of QD, and avoid touching Felguard/Immolate glyphs.
However, you advise these demonologists to maintain using the Firestone, I am assuming you expect them both to use Spellstones, as there is no haste bonus for the Demonologist unless they use it? I realize it's a bit nit-picky, and it may have been mentioned previously, but I thought I'd point it out.
Fantastic guide, and excellent work.
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Post by
Razmortis
you simply don't have to spam DL, it's a long enough cast to time i in my opinion.
Since Kappa was so kind as to necro this him self, I've been itching to throw in a comment on this issue.
If you're like me, extremely well geared, Drain Life some times go almost below 1,5 seconds cast time. In some situations where you want to save your own skin, it can be nice to throw a couple of Drain Lifes at the target you're DPSing (let's say.. blood queen during the splash-bolt volley). It helps a little bit to be able to spam the same button and not cancle the channel mid-way through. Helps conserve a little mana. :)
Anyway, it's not THAT important, but I find it quite useful.
(Also, no, I'm not in a noob guild where I need to carry the healers. It's just a helpful way if %^&* hits the fan, and that can happen quite easily in heroic modes)
Post by
asakawa
couple of things here.
first - this is a levelling thread. people don't have a lot of haste when they're levelling. if you can find a use for a DL macro in level 80 end-game then great but that is pretty irrelevant to this thread.
second - you're saying a 5 second channel goes below 1.5 seconds?
i don't believe you. that would require 233% haste or 7651 haste rating.
again, if you can find a use for it in extreme circumstances then that's great but it's not relevant to this and your point isn't made stronger by hyperbole.
lastly - i really think it's a bad idea to recommend this kind of thing. i've played several healers in ICC and, while you think you're helping, if they didn't ask for it then they won't appreciate it. they know far better than you when it's hitting the fan and if they need help then hopefully your raids are structured well enough that they can ask for it. if they don't ask for help then the best thing you can do is your job - get the encounter finished quickly.
once again, if it works for you then that's great but it's not really good advice,
particularly
for levelling warlocks.
Post by
Razmortis
Just to clarify,
The 1.5 second guess I made has a lot of factors put into it, such as bloodlust, full raid buffs and so on. Indeed, this are in no way factors for a leveling warlock.
When I mean "help the healers", I mean only in extreme situations. Not to brag, but our guild has progressed steadily through this whole expansion, and only a few days ago we claimed the RS25HC Server First kill. When our raid leader calls out for people to help each other with personal cooldowns and healings in extreme AOE situations, we do, and we always succeed in surviving at these crucial situations.
I am not in any way meaning "helpin the healers" in a 5 man dungeon or anything like that. Sorry for being unclear about what I meant.
In any case, personally I think it's a waste to wait for the channel to end before you start another one without spamming the button, to get the second cast as millisecond close to the first one as you can. But that's just me min/maxing.
Generally, you don't need to take my advice. But if you care about min/maxing as much as I do, then you could pay attention.
This might not be the correct thread to discuss min/maxing in though, so I apologise.
Post by
asakawa
This might not be the correct thread to discuss min/maxing in though, so I apologise.
/sigh
it really isn't.
if you're talking about min/maxing then you need to time it yourself anyway.
the macro checks client side to see if it can recast and only lets you recast when the channel has ended in your client. if you time your spells properly you can cut out server lag by recasting before it has finished on your screen, just like with normal cast spells.
if you only do this when your raid leader asks for it then that's great and it is certainly good for new warlocks to be aware of the things they can do to help in those situations but you have to be careful with advice like that and make sure people are understanding.
there is a druid in my guild that isn't great but he likes playing a druid and knows the full range of abilities at their disposal. at the first sign of trouble he'll jump into bear form or cast tranquillity. it's great that he's got those buttons on hand if things go badly but it's difficult to get across that he's not helping when he does these things.
raz, i corrected the macro that people were having trouble with and commented that it probably isn't needed for levelling warlocks. new players trying to learn how to use macros and being given a macro to make that doesn't work is just a bad idea for a guide like this. having some kind of macro to get new players into the idea of using them is great but it's got to be really solid. this one was broken, confusing and not very useful.
now you coming in here making ridiculous claims, giving poor advice to levelling locks and backing it all up with server firsts? i thought better of you than that.
Post by
fuhrerschein
also im gonna go out on a limb here and say if your guild can handle rs25hc i strongly strongly doubt healers need your help on bql with 30 percent buff lol
Post by
Razmortis
fuhrerschein, I was merely making an example.
Also, the only reason I mentioned the server first achievment was to back up my claim that our raid group knows what it's doing, and that's how I backed up my comment on actually using DL in a raid environment in the first place. I was in no way trying to "proove my worth" by mentioning something like that. I am in no way a godly player.
I guess I just disregarded this thread was discussing things for newer players, so let's just drop it, yeah?
Only reason I'm trying to defend my self is because I don't want to come in here, making a statement and then looking rediculus and not backing it up.
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