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James
How did your healers feel when you held aggro off the MT and OT?
If you stood there doing nothing for 3 minutes, that's three minutes of DPS you didn't contribute.
And I think fights typically last longer than 3 min in Gruul's, so I'm guessing you died.
Yeah, we generate amazing threat. But tanking is more than an ego trip--it's about being able to stay alive long enough for the DPS to finish the fight. It's about being useful to the group.
Although, with your zealotry, you may have a future in tanking once you gear up.
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OscarDivine
Also; once you pull the immaturity stick out of your ass.
Seriously, if you'd pulled a stunt like that in my raid; we'd have booted you on the spot and sat back to watch you die, with the REAL tank ready to grab aggro once you were a bloody smear on the pavement, and
left you there, broken and alone.
Don't be a dumbass; do your friggin' job.
/agree
You have a job, stick to it. If you're trying to do someone else's job and only do it half as good, then you fail. A tank must maintain aggro AND mitigate. They must also be designated to do so. If you're not, you're just waving around your big stick for no reason.
As well, your understanding of our new tanking stats seems a bit limited. Spell damage isn't necessarily our first priority unless you're tanking 8+ guys. If you're tanking less, you should be using a single target DPS weapon so that you HotR can benefit.
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Dunsinane
Capital letters and punctuation are your friends.
spell damage is still key
No, it isn't.
and so is taking damage
No, it isn't.
but there are some people out there that are looking at the new talents and think like a warrior tank when making a paly tank big mistake we do everything off of holy damage so spell power and health are key.
Our AP coefficents and the new Blessing of Sanctuary say otherwise.
since the patch i have ran and tank kara and grulls
first lets talk about my grulls experience
Shall we?
a druid tank and a warror tank both way better gear then myself and better stats druid was main tank then the warrior and then myself ipulled off the druid and the warrior and they never pulled it off of me even after i stood there for 3 minutes not doing anything lol
Not only do you abuse the English language, you also lie very badly.
this brings me to my kar run got down to prince with only 8 members left in raid so we tried him anyway and i pulled off 180k threat more then anyone else according to omen .
Newsflash: Prince is insanely easy in 3.0.2. My first Kara this patch we had one healer for Prince and it was a snoozefest. If you ONLY have a 180k threat lead with any kind of a rotation, it's simply because he died that quick.
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amg double pwnt by Duane and twpvw5.
"Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal"
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NeoBlackheart
OK also to ad what the others threw in.
With the armor you see if you look up Zorthanis in armory(don't have time now)
I equip amani punisher and hit with everything exept concencrate lower than with Kings defender.
HoR hits for 400 with amani while with Kings I hit for 670-780 crit was 1500 while the highest crit with amani was only 900.
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OscarDivine
amg double pwnt by Duane and twpvw5.
HAHAHA... win.
"Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal"
Yes, anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. But, the numbers from the majority of my post are pure fact based on the available data.
Oh I wasn't saying that YOUR evidence is anecdotal, I was saying that tnt820 has nothing but anecdotal evidence.
Btw, I solo'd Kil'jaeden using nothing but a toothpick for a weapon and a matchbox for a shield. Seriously.
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OscarDivine
Well everyone is correct. Both AP and Spell power create equal threat for a pally. Blizz did an awesome job of this when they re-did spells and damage for protadins. Check your tool tips
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=48819
. 40% spell pwr and 40% atk pwr.
Why the hell would Blizz do this?
Pretty simple they realized Protains at 70 had collected spell damage armor, trinkets, and weapons for tanking for threat. To make sure we weren't left out in the cold on the patch they made them equal coefficents. That way while we are 70 our gear is still good. Also while we lvl and get more str, stam plate and weapons our tanking will not suffer as death knights, pallies, and warriors are going to wear the same gear for tanking.
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=53595
is an exception as it is based on weapon damage, but I think it is tuned for lvl 80 content.
Well, while AP and Spell damage may both be quite helpful our primary threat generation tool, basically our bread-and-butter for pally tanking now is HotR (as linked above). Because of this, you'll see people everywhere, like at Maintankadin, who have spell damage weapons at the bottoms of their charts. The rest of our gear can be directed toward other stats we need to mitigate and maintain threat.
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xaratherus
Newsflash: Prince is insanely easy in 3.0.2. My first Kara this patch we had one healer for Prince and it was a snoozefest. If you ONLY have a 180k threat lead with any kind of a rotation, it's simply because he died that quick.
Our best time so far has been right under 2 minutes. We did have two healers but it didn't matter - we blew through phase 2 so fast that we probably could've done it with one. This is with the gear I currently have equipped in Armory (I'm the only Xaratherus in there so far). I need to get an AP-based weapon :P Unfortunately no drops to that end yet.
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NeoBlackheart
My guild while I was not there but in vent blew threw the whole instance of kara in about 1 hour and 15 mins. Prince was down in about 2 mins as you said or maybe my calculations are wrong but it was right as the 3rd infernal hit that he died. We had one healer a Resto shammy with 1200 spell power. Tank had 17000hp buffed and was a warrior but this is geting off topic.
Your comment on pallies rule and warriors drool if you talk about dps and threat yes. I ran kara today with a pug. I was main tank he was off tank. even if he had 20 secs to get aggro I still pulled off him. while no one else could and still was ranked number one. we got to the library room at which point a holy pally leroyed everything in the room causing a wipe. Yes I do mean every mob in the room. The raid leader then left along with 4 guys to do to guild bt run so I lost out on that.
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