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What do I tell the arms/fury warrs that my prot truck ran over?
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Post by
Azulinde
I've been doing a lot of dueling and bg's over the past 2 days, and I noticed that when playing on my prot warr, any warrior that was not prot speced just stood no chance against me. Sometimes I would be down only 500 health after shield slamming my enemy to death, I can't imagine they're very happy with this.
How does the wow community look at this?
Do you get explosively #$%^ed off because your s4 arms warr just got mauled by a tank?
Or is the fury warr suited to gank other targets (not less) than before the patch and do you think this is fine?
Post by
Supremacy
Q: What do I tell the arms/fury warriors that my protection truck ran over?
A: Rock beats scissors.
Post by
Azulinde
That's actually a wonderful response, this is literally how it works :) thanks for that one
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Post by
Zeikfried
Honestly I'm seriously considering respecing prot. The combo of Bladestorm and the Charge->Rend->Mortal Strike-> Berserker Stance etc. etc. rotation is killer in PVE, but Sudden Death just hasn't been procing enough in BGs for me. Oh, and I'm sick of getting instantly murdered by any Retardins who see me. I still might go Fury to try out TG, but prot looks like the way to go for now.
Post by
Kunou
Blizzard is taking cues from Warhammer Online for WotLK. It's really nothing to be ashamed about, you would have to be extremely stubborn/foolish to not take some of the things Mythic did in WAR and implement them in WoW. Tank specs are not only extremely viable in WAR but can play an integral role in RvR. The new Prot Warrior (to say nothing of full Blood DKs) is a step in that direction. I was screwing around on a Mage one day and took a grip from a Prot Warrior (this is level 80 PvP on the Beta servers). Even Thunderclap is starting to do damage that can't be laughed away. Getting crit for 4k by a Concussion Strike is pretty funny thinking back on it.
Don't write off TG, though. DW2H Fury is really good, too. Some of the burst from that is jaw dropping. Keep in mind Recklessness and Retaliation are 5 minute cooldowns in WotLK, and Fury reduces Recklessness' cooldown by 33% from talents.
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Post by
Kunou
Don't worry, it gets better at 80.
Post by
Supremacy
To add a bit to my admittedly brief response.
My warrior's doing PVP at level 59. I just want to be able to bring that
old
school
flava with me into my forays into Outland. Also, I like how those look. Anyway, the only class that I really have a problem with...
...you know something? This might just be because I'm not doing 60+ stuff yet, but I really don't have a lot of problems with too many classes. The combination of
Warbringer
,
Gag Order
, the harder hitting
revenge
, and how much insanely harder protection abilites are hitting gets you out of most problems. I've dealt with many a frost mage who was unaware that it's not as easy to kite that "plate clad wearing oaf" as it used to be.
And for melee classes, protection warriors don't need to change stances to disarm you. And if you put points in that (like, in my opinion, you really should be doing if you're PVPing as a tank...and you should be doing it frequently), you're hitting a lot harder while they're trying to do something. Arms/Fury warriors need to either switch stances (and lose rage), or just sit there and try to take it...without the benefits of the damage mitigation our tanky selves have. They could try the intimidating shout, but we can use berserker rage in any stance, so...yeah.
But back when I did PVP for the trinket at level 39, it wasn't that bad being a tank in PVP, either. Takes forever to kill you, and you can screw up a lot of people. Even back when it was called Improved Shield Bash, there was nothing like charging a caster, shield bash, go to town.
It's probably more common to see protection warriors because they're a bit more user friendly in PVP, now, but a good prot warrior back in the day was also dangerous. Nothing like seeing a tank on top of the damage charts in WSG.
/flex
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Post by
Flaks
Only problem I'm seeing is that, at the moment, protection seems to be a more viable spec for pvp than arms and fury just because you can out survive just about anything while at the same time dishing out near equal damage (good gear = shield slams for around the same as mortal strike).
SOMETHING"S GOTTA GIVE!
I know blizzard is scared of warrior burst but it's really something when a tank can consistently dps AND burst equal to the two dps specs in pvp.
P.S. GIEF BACK HEROIC LEAP; FURY WANTS PVP TOO!11!. (just can't get that out of my system until we actually get it back, only thing that makes me REALLY wanna go fury and they just HAD to take it away :( )
Post by
Supremacy
As a combat rogue, I can wholeheartedly say that I hate fighting prot warrs.
I can dismantle, KS, EA, killing spree, and be at ~65% with the warr not even having hit me yet because of damage shield, and then it's just shield slam/revenge to death, with them still over 50% if they're well-geared. If I pop evasion,
Unfair Advantage
ends up killing me because of damage shield.
I don't even try anymore
...
...I probably should have added that the "rock beats scissors" thing applies to rogues, as well.
Even, to an extent, hunters. Sure, you're not actually hitting me, but every time I block something that pet of yours does, you're just enraging me and queuing up revenge.
*Shrug*
Post by
Kunou
P.S. GIEF BACK HEROIC LEAP; FURY WANTS PVP TOO!11!. (just can't get that out of my system until we actually get it back, only thing that makes me REALLY wanna go fury and they just HAD to take it away :( )
TG Fury is amazing at 80. Don't judge it by level 70 PvP.
Post by
silverd
On my Prot PVP build, gotta say Warbringer is awesome sauce too. Nobody seems to have mentioned that above.
Post by
Flaks
P.S. GIEF BACK HEROIC LEAP; FURY WANTS PVP TOO!11!. (just can't get that out of my system until we actually get it back, only thing that makes me REALLY wanna go fury and they just HAD to take it away :( )
TG Fury is amazing at 80. Don't judge it by level 70 PvP.
How good is it for pvp? I know high end gear makes it epic for raiding but without hit on any of the resilience gear, I can't see fury warriors pvp'ing any time soon. Top that off with limited mobility without improved intercept (heroic fury does NOT make up for it especially being a tad gimp of a 41 point talent ) and fury warriors really have no place in either 70 or 80 pvp.
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Post by
Azulinde
I'm trying to put this new power balance into perspective. How many classes/specs does each class/spec own without question? I mean, if prot beats 3 of classes/specs without a chance of dying it isn't really that dramatic, if the same goes for the others.
How many classes/specs can the fury warr still kill with its hands tied behind its back?
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