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Post by
Darcius
Executioner Mainhand, Mongoose Offhand will out damage Double Mongoose in 90% of cases. You may still want to go Double Mongoose as Mutilate or a 30/0/31 variant simply because the higher crit rate helps Seal Fate quite a bit.
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Remx
I'm not sure you understand Remx...
Mon/mon was the best previously. Let me make an analogy for you.
:::Ron Paul takes office. On his first day I say "George Bush was a much crappier president." How can I make that claim when the situation has changed. Ron Paul hasn't had time to be crappy yet. I can't say one is worse than the other. Sure Bush may have been super crappy and the crappiest of all the previous presidents, but I can't say that now.:::
Understand? You can't say mon/mon is the best way to go when we don't know how exe/mon is. Nor can I say for a fact exe/mon is the way to go. They are both opinions. Aye?
I understand the point you're making. You don't seem to understand mine. So seeing as what I've posted seems to have gone straight over your head, I'm not going to bother repeating myself.
Post by
Remx
Executioner Mainhand, Mongoose Offhand will out damage Double Mongoose in 90% of cases. You may still want to go Double Mongoose as Mutilate or a 30/0/31 variant simply because the higher crit rate helps Seal Fate quite a bit.
From where have you drawn this conclusion?
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68244
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Post by
Remx
I assumed your point was that he should do mon/mon because it was proven to do
more
DPS
, and he shouldn't waste his time with mon/exe because people didn't know which was better? Maybe you could do a better job of being clear? Hard to talk with your nose held so high, I'm sure.
I was extremely clear, it seems the only reason I'm having to repeat myself is your inability to understand even the most simple of reasoning.
Not to mention you now claim to have understood my points to convey a belief they quite clearly did not. I never stated that mongoose leads to more DPS than executioner, I repeatedly stated that we do not know if executioner leads to more DPS than mongoose, and as such it's a gamble taking it. Let me refresh you:
I suggested in a different thread that someone should stick with double mongoose for now, my reasoning being that mongoose is proven and tested, executioner isn't.
Dual mongoose has given higher DPS than any previous enchants, which is why I recommended a person stick with it for now, it's tried and true.
No one can say for sure yet whether executioner gives higher DPS than mongoose on either hand, which is why I said the jury is still out, and why it's not tried and true.
We can't know yet whether executioner is an upgrade or downgrade from mongoose, so it's still a gamble taking it. Mongoose isn't a gamble, it has been tested far more extensively than executioner and has been proven as the best enchant for DPS, while executioner hasn't.
Most importantly:
That's not to say that a couple months from now it won't be decided that executioner is the way to go, if that happens then I'll be more than happy to recommend it. What I won't do is what you're doing now, recommending it while it's still not proven and without having done any testing for myself. Recommending it merely for the fact that for no apparent reason I think it could be better.
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68244
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Post by
Remx
Again, how is taking Exe/Mon a gamble? I could easily say that Mon/Mon is taking a gamble, also. Are you not grasping this?
Again, I understand the point you're trying to make. I also acknowledge that its possible that executioner could be better, but I impress that its possible it could also turn out to be quite inferior to mongoose. This is the reason I don't get involved in direct debate between the superiority of either enchant.
You brought up the fact that I had recommended mongoose/mongoose to someone in a different thread. The reason I had recommended mongoose to that person is that it was a safe investment for them; seeing as no one is sure of exactly how the two enchants match up, I recommended to them the enchant which is backed by months upon months of testing, and has been proven again and again to offer an extremely nice boost to personal DPS. The amount of data collated on executioner just pales in comparison at the moment, and until we see a more defined comparative analysis, I'll stick with using and recommending what I know to work extremely well.
If you choose to pay heed to the preliminary numbers, what you could determine about the effectiveness of executioner as opposed to mongoose is that its a good idea to go the route of executioner if you're hemo swords or have a decent amount of armour penetration gear. If you're running a deeper combat spec however, which the majority of raiding rogues still are, it would seem that mongoose will probably outperform executioner.
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Post by
Remx
The amount of data collated on executioner just pales in comparison at the moment, and until we see a more defined comparative analysis, I'll stick with using and recommending what I know to work extremely well.
Please show me this information you are claiming.
The first opportunity we had to test executioner was the 2.3 PTR. The amount of data that has been collected since simply isn't of the volume that has been collected on mongoose since it was introduced to the game in January of this year.
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