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the fact that you have lots of honor kills just means you play more than me, certainly not skill because you have no idea what you are talking about. i guess thats why you are lossing this argument (and before you say "I'm not losing" go back and count how many issues with you spec/video/playstyle that i have brought up yet you refuse to comment on)
ambush backstab is more dps than hemo. hemo is geared towards more of survivability. if hemo was both, then nobody would spec another way. what do you base this on? ambush backstab out
bursts
hemo (only by a little bit mind you) but with its inferior CP generation it cant keep up in DPS, but i wouldnt expect you to know this as you are just talking out your ass. you see some of us accually used those dumbies to find out how the new talents faired
that is why there are three talent trees. there is not "best spec". there are bad specs, such as the one you suggested, but no "best spec".again you are wrong
there are best spec's for everything, the best burst spec at 39 is assassination, the best survivabilty spec is hemo, the best sustained dps spec is combat (however combats 4-5% dps gain isnt worth losing prep and MoD)
you videos crap get over it
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@goshadstep, it doesnt take 4 seconds to do an ambush + backstab. Pre 3.0 with an energyticker you could do one right after the other. Now with the new energy system it still only takes 2 seconds...
I forget where i said this but sorry if I wasnt clear enough, that was assuming you were pooling for kicks which any rogue in a serious PvP situation should be doing
(I am aware that in a twink vs scrub situation pooling for kicks is unessisary but again ive said that this spec was fine for twink vs scrub action all along, IMO a twinks skill is measured by twink v twink combat not going around 2 shotting scrubs)
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goshadstep2lose
Nobody even chooses assasination at 39. Really, it sucks. Cold blood is terrible. It's a long cooldown for a twink. this statement kinda sums up your fail
Answer this question: Why would a twink want their crits based on a 3 minute cooldown? because if the twink is going to sacrefice control of the fight for an ability that they rely on criting they are going to make damn sure it crits
I, along with almost every twink on ruin, would choose 45% ambush crit over a 100% ambush crit on a 3 MINUTE COOLDOWN. and you base this on what? do you even use the forums? lets start a thread
i have not seen one good twink use that spec. mebe if you pulled your head out your ass?
as ive already said any good rogue will realize hemos supiriority, the only good rogue that would stay daggers at 39 would do it for the playstyle for the reasons i have already stated a few times
hemo=survivability
ambush/backstab=damage
that is just the way it is. and you base this on what?
that's like trying to say that frost spec for a mage does the most damage, the most survivability, and the most mana conservative. things are different for each bracket, I never said hemo out dpses daggers at 70; for instance in the 29 bracket since mages have acess to shards as well as shatter it does out DPS fire, however come the 39 bracket this changes as the mage now has access to critical mass, blastwave and FP
not many specs can be everything at once, that is why blizzard had three talent trees. otherwise they would have just put one and said, "Everybody spec hemo because everything other than that is fail".
admit that you are wrong, nobody even uses assassination at 39
blizz did the talent tree system based on the wc3 hero talent system, to add a level of indivduality to character classes not seen before in MMOs; it was a system based on allowing players to play the class according to how they felt the class should be played- it wasnt seen as a balancing act until WoW became so mainstream that players began to demand for the balance of classes/ specs within those classes/ etc.
but please take less of a pick and choose attitude to my arguments, respond to all of them not just the ones you think you can argue with
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you still dont get it. 45 % ambush crit is better than cold blood. my spec is not built for a 1v1. we have alreeady established you spec fails at 1v1 which is what PvP is, not 2 shotting scrubs, not going around with your 2 buddies and triple teaming people, hence why your video is bad
you said "because if the twink is going to sacrefice control of the fight for an ability that they rely on criting they are going to make damn sure it crits."
that is wrong. you just contradicted yourself. if you choose cold blood then you will get only 1 (unless you are lucky as hell) ambush crit during the whole fight. how in any way was this an answer to the question I quoted? ugh do i need to spell i out for you? L-E-A-R-N-2-S-T-U-N
answer this: do you really think one ambush crit is going to kill the twink? no which has been my point, you are the one with the 1/2-shot spec
you and i both know that the answer is no. the reason i chose 45 crit is so i can crit on ambush, then gouge run and re-stealth, then crit ambush again, vanish, crit on ambush again, and so on. considering the chance that you would crit on all 3 of those ambushes is only 34%...
if i went cold blood then only one of these ambushes would crit. with the 45 crit and the 20ish that i get with my stats that is 65 percent crit chance ON THREE TO FOUR ambushes. since vanish doesnt have a cooldown right?, btw all it takes is a kiter and you are GONE
that is better than one ambush. your approach would only be usefull against scrubs who die in one ambush.well first of i will ignore the fact that your whole video is you and your druid friend killing scrubs; but since you are slow i will explain this again, "because if the twink is going to sacrefice control of the fight for an ability that they rely on criting they are going to make damn sure it crits."
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this just shows how full of fail you are. xhuni is the best shaman twink in the 39 bracket on ruin. ruin is home to the toughest 39 twink bracket. everyone knows that. its kinda cute how you mimic what you hear in guild chat like a parot
people transfer over to ruin to join either Brumbles Army, Midnight Marauders, or the other big 39 twink guilds. people transfer to every battlegroup its called migration its not unnatural- btw bloodlust is probably the most active 39s battlegroup due to the efforts of Jadyyn and purple haze
The fact that you called Xhuni a noob just shows you honestly have no idea what you are talking about. Go on ruin and say that and people will call you troll. if he let a keyboard turner (you) get behind him, then he is bad
If they were to keep re-applying totems the whole time, then i could just end there mana by killing their totems. you sould have... whether or not he would have relaid them doesnt change the fact that you are bad for not taking them out
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Your spec is the one that is terrible for fighting twinks because ambush is only gonna crit one time. Do you think that ambush is going to kill the twink? considering the only time you get to double up on ambush is when you have vanish, and if you do manage to pull a reastealth off, any <good> player wth an AoE will take you out of it beofer the drop combat for a sap
and did i ever say one ambush would kill the twink?
No it is not. Also, if you think an ambush backstab twink is about stuns, then you have no idea how to play ambush backstab. All your energy is going to be used on ambush, backstab, gouge, and when you build up combo points, then you kidney shot. But usually, they die. I kow exactly what an ambush backstab twink is, they are the kind of twink that dwells so much on twink vs scrub combat they spec out for it, and you spec is good for that i have said it from the beggining, but against any good twink, your first ambush+backstab will be survived, then you keyboard turning ass will get kited to no end (if its another melee dont worry- keeping a keyboard turner in front of you is easy as hell)
I only need a stun thrown in there if they are healer or part healer. Xhuni healed himself with a couple of lesser healing waves. If he hadnt, he would have died to the ambushes, and backstabs. you allowing him to gert of the heals in the first place is pretty sad
I only waste energy stunning on healers or part healers, and people at 5% hp LOL
whereas if I was dueling a warrior,the backstabs would have already killed him. a twink? no
Why should I stun when my brother is going to do all the stunning for me? FOR THE LAST TIME WE ARE ARGUING ABOUT HOW YOU AND YOUR SPEC FARE IN TWINK VS TWINK not 2 retard brothers going around ganking unfortunate lowbies
Btw, looked at Jadyns guild. She has less twinks than MM or BA. And she herself is level 48 and on a armory refresh. btw wrong jadyn multiple twinks
So much for the best battlegroup. I'll admit that her guild is amazing, yet she has only one guild. One guild won't make the whole battlegroup amazing.
Whereas Ruin has 4 great guilds. funny did you go check teh battlegroup forum? have you ever been on the forums in your life?
Also, still won't answer this. Why would i spec cold blood if one ambush is not going to kill the twink? because it will kill the twink, it wont be as great as 15-0-15 for 2 shotting scrubs which is why you wont spec it
I spec the way i spec because it provides multiple ambush crits. we know you go around 2 shotting people with 1k hp /golfclap
3 ambushes and some backstabs will take out a twink. only a bad twink will let a keyboard turner get anymore than 1 ambush off
One crit ambush and some backstabs, will not. if you stunlock them yes you will
I have never seen one twink spec the way you said because nobody is speccing to one shot scrubs. LOL this is coming from a keyboard turner who just posted a video of him doing 5 mins of just that
The only reason you see me one shotting scrubs in that vid was because at the time there wasnt many twinks. In the vid, there was only 5 twinks. FAIL you have been talking about how active the 39s is in your battlegroup for the past 4 posts but now all of a sudden you cant find any twinks? on retaliation, whos 39s are truly dead, you can still always find a few twinks
no one is going to believe you made a video of you one shotting scrubs because you couldnt find twinks
Cold blood fails because it only brings out one crit ambush. Yet again i have to say this because you will completely dodge the question. one ambush will not kill a twink. why spec for one ambush crit when i can spec for 60 ambush crit all the time. no, i answered this question a few times you are the one thats dodging the responce
ambush only has a 60-70% chance to crit with that spec
thats hardly everytime
so if you are going to sacrafice the control of a cheapshot you better make damn sure that ability crits,
if not its not worth it
NO ONE EVER SAID ONE AMBUSH WILL KILL A TWINK
you are the one who conjectured that your ambush+backstab combo would take out a twink
this however is only if they both crit (32% chance assuming they both hit) on cloth
you relying on such small chances for your
BIG NUMBARZ
™. is why your spec is good for one thing and one thing only and thats going around with a druid ganking non twinks hence your video
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first off, i linked the correct jadyn. you linked a 49 twink of his not a 39 so no wrong jadyn
second- this spec is used by many people. just because my brother keyboard turns does not mean the spec sucks no this spec isnt used by many people most rogues run hemo either way that doesnt defeat my logic; and you keyboard turn as well we have seen the video of both you and your druid brother going around double teaming people and you are both keyboard turning
third- two abmushes on a twink that is about 1.8k damage, and then 3 backstabs is 1.2k. the average twink has 2.8k hp. clothies die even faster. no good twink is going to let you restealth and you as a keyboard turner wont be able to get behind any non keyboard turner
fourth- ambush crits 70 percent of the time. it is easy to get two crits. you cant just go 70 divided by 2 and say that two crits is 35. WOW this is like 6th grade math dude the chance for somethign with a 70% chance to happen twice is 49%
I never said 35%
nice try tho
fifth- ok, let's say i spec your way, which not one twink does (show me just one), and choose to crit with ambush how would i kill. show me a step by step of what you think is the way to kill other twinks with your terrible spec. first off
learn to PvP
there is no set rotation for PvPs unscripted nature, the idea is that instead of opening with a ambush+bs that wont always crit and alow you to get kited you open with a cs+bs combo, which while offering only 45% of the damage it generates more combo points and gives you control of the fight
sixth- if YOU ever went on the forums then you would realize nobody has your spec. correct because they all spec the best way they can at 39
4-0-26
nice try though
seventh- think logically about it. if you want to be an ambush spec twink, why the hell would you not spec into improved ambush? jesus christ i know for a fact ive spelt the is one out to you before- ITS NOT AN AMBUSH SPEC ITS A DAGGER SPEC ambush specs are good for one thing 2 shotting scrubs which is all your video is please please please stop making me repeat myself
and please answer the questions. dont go "no, i answered this question a few times you are the one thats dodging the responce", because that honestly made you the one dodging please point out one question i have dodged
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