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Holy Priests Need Major PVP Help
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Post by
SeaOfHoles
Anyone else feel the same way?
It's HELL being a Holy Priest in PVP. EVERYONE has multiple somethings to shut me down between stuns, snares, silence, fears, interrupts and cyclones. I rely on my core ability ... healing. And I can't do that. What do I have to defend my self? Oh yea, 30 second Fear.
2 of my core abilities are useless in PVP. Fade and Shackle.
Paladins and Druids routinely outheal not only me, but ALL Priests in the BGs. Why should a Druid be a 10 on the survivability scale and a Holy Priest be a 1?
Even with +1500 healing and ALL the interruption talents, I can't even come close to keeping up with the damage of most classes, let alone Warriors, Rogues, Hunters and Warlocks.
I am not asking to be able to beat these people. My offense is VERY limited, therefore, I should IMHO have much better defensive skills to balance that. It's to the point I may as well play anything other than Priest.
And I don't want to hear crap about Discipline. Other classes have 3 viable PVP specs.
Please. Don't become DAOC. That was poor PVP. Way too much CC and damage was dealt way to fast. It was a twitch fest.
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sandrock
I can't remember the last time I didn't win the total healing done in a BG by at least 100k and that's with a PvE holy spec with absolutely no survivability whatsoever.
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Post by
razzem
So...
1. How much resilience do you have? If you don't have much, you will die extremely fast.
2. How much STA do you have? If you are under 10k hp, you are a liability in a battleground.
3. Have you tried out Blessed Resilience? Once it procs, it means you have 6 seconds free of any crits... that is HUGE. It's only 3 points. You can still go CoH, take Blessed Resilience, and get Meditation. Basically, do you normal pve spec and cut 3 points somewhere to get BR 3/3.
4. Are you healing with mouseover or targettarget macros? You'll be a lot slower at getting heals off if not, which means you'll die more.
I don't know where you are at with all of this stuff, but basically, if you don't have or are lacking in these areas, don't start hating how much you suck in pvp until you get your gear up and take 3/3 BR. Things get better once you get beyond the rep purchased pvp blues (I'm speaking from personal experience). Buy the Unyeilding 2 piece craftable set, do some arena even if you suck and get some arena gear. And for the love of God, take Blessed Resilience.
It gets better, and I speak from personal experience here. In fact, it becomes enjoyable. You'll also find that you can wreak some serious havoc with your Fear and Dispel and especially Manaburn (better if talented... another 2 points well spent, and you can still have all the main talents for your full holy build). Manaburn is quite possibly the best way to stop a Resto-Druid.
Also, give yourself some slack. Not all situations are win-able. If you are standing at a choke-point, and a mob of the Opposite faction are plowing towards you and your friend, you are both gonna die, regardless.
Hope that helps. (And don't forget to equip your pvp gear when you head into the BG or the Arena /slapself)
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edited for making sense :D
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Post by
bwirum
3 specs, ele shammys, feral droods
Huh? Last I checked, though they're under-represented, those two can be viable.
True. At least in battlegrounds and non-2vs2 arenas.
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razzem
Actually, until you have a significant amount of Resilience, I think going holy is much better for pvp. Blessed Recovery isn't fantastic, but it helps. Even without Blessed Recovery, Blessed Resilience is amazing. I personally wouldn't spec Discipline until I had close to the 300s in resilience.
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Post by
oddbrown
I was able to painfully PvP my way towards my S2 healer mace in a standard PvE holy spec, with the honour blues and not much else.
Did I get pwned a lot? Yes.
Was it enjoyable? Actually, sometimes, yes.
As others have said, you can PvP as holy, but you need to do some things right.
Never go 1v1 (stay with the pack)
Use your underpowered CC wisely
Try to hang around with people who like heals, so are willing to defend you
Don't expect to beat mele, just try to heal through them (they often forget to interrupt)
Use occasional shadow spells to throw interrupters off
Use your shadowfiend to confuse your enemies as well as getting mana back
Use line-of-sight to frustrate ranged enemies
All of this should help you a little more in BGs.
I can heal through an arms warrior's dps in the honour blues.
In fact, if you have a rogue friend all you need to do is flash heal and renew yourself, use PoM and PW:S and they will be so busy trying to pwn you that your DPS friend can often kill them instead.
Try using yourself as bait for mele enemies. It's great fun seeing them get all surprised and scared when they get jumped by your rogue buddy after attacking you, and you are left to heal yourself up.
PvP is about the unpredictability of things. Get to know your enemies. Duel friends of different DPS classes to learn how they will try to kill you. Then nothing is too unpredictable and you can learn how to outheal the DPS coming your way.
N.B. It is highly unusual to cast Greater Heal in a BG. It takes too long and doesn't heal for enough. In PvP it's all about hps not hpm so try to focus on healing output. HoT everywhere. PoM yourself regularly. Try to use PW:S to your best advantage too.
Don't stand still for too long, and remember to dispell and mana burn if you can do things offensively.
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Post by
Lightrain
Wow.... Some good advice, and some bad advice....
IMO, holy sucks for pvp. Blessed resilience isn't that great when you have a debuff lowering your heals by 50% from a warrior or rogue.
Focused Will
>
Blessed Resilience
any day of the week reguardless of gear level. On top of that, you add
Pain Suppression
to it and your survivability lasts thru a few counters so you can possibly heal yourself or others.
Otherwise, welcome to the healing world. Learn to fake cast and try to bait all the interupts(kick/feral charge/pummel/earth shock) so you can hopefully get some actual healing in. This is tough to guage when to stop casting as you will have latency issues as far as how far other toons are from you.
If you have under 300 resil, you will die very fast, against any opponent with pvp gear reguardless of your spec, but when I didn't have gear, disc was way better for keeping myself alive than holy. Pain suppression is a must for pvp, and is why they gave it to the only healer class with no real armor bonus(shield/bear).
Mana burn is the only way to get a druid to make you sacrifice cast time on shadow spells instead of heals. He's LOLing in vent, while waiting to shift into bear/cat and /smile /pat you. Maybe it's just my battle group, but I'm lucky if I can get more than 3-4 mana burns off on a druid in a 10 minute fight... Mana burn is most useful against a pally or shaman, and mana burn wars with another priest are the worst.
Last but not least, Merciless Gladiator's Mooncloth Gloves is not worth it when you can get Brutal Gladiator's Mooncloth Gloves and save the honor for other pieces of gear you can't get with your 1300 rated arena team from the vendor. If you suck in arena with your gear level, get honor pieces that you need a rating for from the brutal vendor, and get brutal gear that doesn't require the personal rating from the arena vendor. Otherwise you are buying stuff twice instead of getting alternatives, and buying everything once, not wasting your 4-6 weeks of point spending in arena, or the 2-5 days of grinding honor in BGs that could be spent on something else. Shoulders are the ones you probably won't replace, ever. But will be the smallest upgrade to your PVP blue set.
Gearing order to maximize your points.
PVP blue- All of it if you can. If not, gloves, shoulders, and chest are main pieces. Spending gold is way cheaper than spending honor.
S2- In order
WEAPON
PVP medalion(blue quality)
Head
Legs or chest. Legs will get you more healing as you WILL(YES, DO IT YOU LAZY S*B) enchnt it with golden spellthread, but you will replace it before your chest.
Shoulders(If you have pvp blue, forgo shoulders and run dual set bonuses for more resilience
Guardian's belt(doesn't require rating and takes honor, so I put it here)
Bracers
Boots
neck/rings-Your choice depending on upgrade size
S4-
Gloves(You will get this way before you get all your off pieces, so don't waste your honor)
Offhand
Wand
Legs
If you have a good arena partner that carries you quite well and have points and rating for chest or head, get your highest possible rating required piece first. But if you are struggling at 1500 or less, do it this way.
Run kara weekly, and get your badge cloak(Kharma's Shroud of Hope).
That is the end of my gearing tutorial. =)
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Post by
razzem
No Light, you're wrong on that. BR means that you cant get critted on multiple times in a row, which makes you live much much longer when you are low on resilience. Until you get your resilience up, discipline doesn't offer any more survivability than Holy. I've specced both when I was lower in my resilience and you die much quicker as Disc, mostly due to your heals sucking sin healing talents and especially repeated crits in a row that blow you out of the water, which BR shuts down. Yes, you're right that Disc far outshines Holy after you get a chunk of resilience, but not until you get out of poverty blues.
Check out some other threads, EJ and such, you'll find that 300 resilience is about what people recommend before speccing Discipline for pvp.
Post by
Lightrain
Well, to each their own I guess. Maybe I survived longer since when a dps jumped me, I made sure I got Pain suppression was up asap so I would last longer(at least in arena). You might try running with a MM hunter for a while, since the whole concept of that team is cc and outlast in 2v2.
For BG's, all I can say is try to stay out of LoS. Don't stand in the middle of nowhere. You can heal from behind terrain and trees. That's the easiest way I was ever able to stay alive. Walls, fences, and buildings are different tho.
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