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Good ideas to counter the respec costs
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Post by
DJTyrant
How to counter respec costs?
Do your dailies. :p
This!
Post by
Afilo
give everyone just 2 different talent saves and upon login you choose which saved specc you use...
for the whole day
...No, that's bad. I sometimes spec heal for a karazhan run in the afternoon or week-end and then back to dps for the guild raid in the evening.
If you want to stop abuse from "instant spec changes", it's easier to make people do it at a certain NPC, or put a short 10-15 minutes timer on it, ...
But limiting spec for a whole day is too rigid, i'd prefer to keep paying gold.
in my idea you would still be able to respecc... as i said, everything stays the same, only upon login for the first time of a day, you'll be given the option to load spec A or B
where in my case i would put a pve specc in lets say A and pvp specc in B...
the next day you'll be given again that option.. and depending on what you want to do, you choose your specc...
if you were to relog during the day, after you've chosen, the option you picked the first time will be loaded again... like i said, only for 1 day you have the specc, then it resets at the same time heroics are cleaned
Post by
cms2k
give everyone just 2 different talent saves and upon login you choose which saved specc you use...
for the whole day
...No, that's bad. I sometimes spec heal for a karazhan run in the afternoon or week-end and then back to dps for the guild raid in the evening.
If you want to stop abuse from "instant spec changes", it's easier to make people do it at a certain NPC, or put a short 10-15 minutes timer on it, ...
But limiting spec for a whole day is too rigid, i'd prefer to keep paying gold.
in my idea you would still be able to respecc... as i said, everything stays the same, only upon login for the first time of a day, you'll be given the option to load spec A or B
where in my case i would put a pve specc in lets say A and pvp specc in B...
the next day you'll be given again that option.. and depending on what you want to do, you choose your specc...
if you were to relog during the day, after you've chosen, the option you picked the first time will be loaded again... like i said, only for 1 day you have the specc, then it resets at the same time heroics are cleaned
This is probably more geared towards the general discussion though I quoting Afilo as reference.
Keep it the way it is currently! If you want to respec, just pay the cash. It's your money, use it when you need it! (shameless annoying commercial reference)
The idea of limiting the ability to respec is boneheaded at best. How does it hurt you (put your toon's name here) if I respec 10 times a day? Its my character. If I work for it and want to respec, then great. If a group wants to pay for me to respec, then great.
Post by
dslyecix
give everyone just 2 different talent saves and upon login you choose which saved specc you use...
for the whole day
...No, that's bad. I sometimes spec heal for a karazhan run in the afternoon or week-end and then back to dps for the guild raid in the evening.
If you want to stop abuse from "instant spec changes", it's easier to make people do it at a certain NPC, or put a short 10-15 minutes timer on it, ...
But limiting spec for a whole day is too rigid, i'd prefer to keep paying gold.
in my idea you would still be able to respecc... as i said, everything stays the same, only upon login for the first time of a day, you'll be given the option to load spec A or B
where in my case i would put a pve specc in lets say A and pvp specc in B...
the next day you'll be given again that option.. and depending on what you want to do, you choose your specc...
if you were to relog during the day, after you've chosen, the option you picked the first time will be loaded again... like i said, only for 1 day you have the specc, then it resets at the same time heroics are cleaned
This is probably more geared towards the general discussion though I quoting Afilo as reference.
Keep it the way it is currently! If you want to respec, just pay the cash. It's your money, use it when you need it! (shameless annoying commercial reference)
The idea of limiting the ability to respec is boneheaded at best. How does it hurt you (put your toon's name here) if I respec 10 times a day? Its my character. If I work for it and want to respec, then great. If a group wants to pay for me to respec, then great. And he's just trying to save the money. He wants it to be free, but the trade-off is you're limited to picking one for the day. He doesn't have a problem with you respeccing constantly, but it's just the method he's suggested to counteract it not costing gold anymore.
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Post by
Afilo
1 . I don’t want the respecc cost to be free, it’s a money sink for wow
2. I don’t want to limit anyone in his own playstyle, you can do whatever you like… ;-)
Everything will remain the same… except the opportunity to choose between 2 saved speccs upon login
Take Fel Concentration for (affliction) warlocks for instance… In most pvp situation he wants it to have 5/5 points. Where in most pve (raid) situations he’ll want 0/5 since the points are better spent elsewhere…
If I have 2 saved speccs where I can choose between for a day, the only respect costs that are free is changing between that… (upon login)
All the other reasons for respeccing still cost you money; experimenting or updating your specc with your gear for instance…
Post by
Celdhyrean
the next day you'll be given again that option.That is my problem. I don't want to be limited to 1 respec a day. I largely prefer to pay 50g per respec than to have to wait 1 day.
Post by
xaratherus
I think that Afilo is saying that everytime you log in you choose your "base spec" for the day for free (meaning if it's raid day you can choose your raid build, but if it's farming day you can choose your DPS build) - but that you can still visit a class trainer and pay 50g at any time to respec.
I'm not sure what the big deal is personally. If you're asked to respec frequently, then ask them to chip in - or if you do it voluntarily to get in groups, then do 10 dailies and your respec to- and from- are paid for.
Post by
Afilo
ignore him... he's not reading... only giving critisism which isn't constructive either...
for me, the only reason to respecs are my own, no one tells me which to pick...
i just find that 1 specc isn't enough, since with pvp / dailies or quests / instances & raids i actually want slight modifications to my specc...
the 50 gold each time is driving me crazy that i'm thus not playing to the full potential i know i could...
Post by
Howlle
maybe they should do it so if you've spent X amount on respec, you get a deal where you still pay but at a reduced amount.
then say after X amount of times you get a free one?
i mean i'm talking like 2-3000g. (maybe more)
this way, people who respec alot, get a deal later that helps them out.
and it will stop people who seldom respec getting in on it as what would the point be on spending all that gold just to get a better deal at the end of it?
as it's mainly the hybrid classes that get hit the hardest, as being a pally, i'm tank. i respec'd 3 times last week to holy for the guild and go ret for 2v2.
needless to say, i'm always skint :(
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Post by
xaratherus
i see a lot of people here who clearly haven't tried to do dailys as a prot warrior or holy anything.
*raises hand* Holy Paladin, with a friend who is a Resto Druid. I quest in my healing gear because it gives me a decent 850 spell damage, while my friend carries around a set of DPS gear that she swaps into to do dailies. Neither of us takes more than an hour to do all of the IoQ dailies on the isle itself. 150g.
1. it's a moneysink for wow
is this really a significant one? 50 g is a minor inconvenience at best, and only really penalizes certain classes (unfairly). i would argue that epic mounts/repair costs are a much bigger money sink to the point of trivializing respec costs over the long run
If anything this is an argument to
increase
the cost of the respec. If you want something to be a money sink, you're not going to simply turn around and say, "Well damn, that didn't work - guess we better just reduce the cost instead."
Coming from City of Heroes, I think the 50g respec is a godsend. To respec in CoH (at least back when I was on it), you had to do an instance run that took anywhere from 1-3 hours depending on your group make-up.
2. it would increase the amount of people farming for stuff
i also doubt this would be noticeable. most dedicated healer/tank types that i know have dps class alts for this anyways. why should it matter which toon they are on? there are more than enough places to farm stuff, elemental plateau is not the only place primals drop. IMO mining, herb nodes, and mote clouds are much more heavily farmed, and they can be farmed regardless of spec.
No argument on this one. If people want to farm they'll find some way to do it. It might cause a slight decrease in the cost of items at the auction house - or it might just cause longer queue times in BG as more people would be able to respec at will to go pewpew at those dumb Alliance/Horde.
3. healers/tanks would steal dps's gear
even bringing this up indicates you dont have much experience in instancing/raiding it seems.
every non-pug group
i have ever been in follows the same general rules it seems to me in terms of who gets to roll on gear. priority is as follows:
I bolded the problem with this statement. You're correct - every non-pug group tends to use those rules (or similar) for loot. But not every group - maybe not even a majority of groups - are guild- or friend-runs.
The only way in a pug to ensure that gear goes to main spec first is to use Master Looter. And while I don't pug often, I don't know that I've ever been in a non-raid pug that used ML; we just used Need before Greed - and in that case yes, healers and tanks would have a chance to "steal" DPS gear by clicking Need.
Now, don't get me wrong - I'm not dead-set against discounted or free respecs by any stretch. As a Paladin, I sometimes get a jonesing to tank or DPS, and that means 100g to fulfill a temporary fantasy. Perhaps if they would let you "buy back" all points in one of your talent trees for a lesser amount - say, 15g and you free up all points that were in your Holy (or Arms, or Affliction, or whatever) tree to redistribute?
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storyr
wahhh
Post by
Celdhyrean
for me, the only reason to respecs are my own, no one tells me which to pick...No one tells me either, since I'm the raid leader. I'm the one who choses which of my spec is going to be best for the raid.
Also i do have access to bank guild and could get the money (the bank does chip in for respecs), but i consider that as a dps class i have it easy enough to get money so i don't.
But yes, i hadn't fully understood your proposal and for that i apologize.
But i still don't see much of a point in all that. (i'd certainly profit from it if it happened though :p)
Despite what anyone can say, it is easy to get enough gold for one respec a day in 30 minutes or less, even if being a healer or tank. Sure it's slower and whatever...
It's not that I'm happy about moneysinks personnaly, but i do believe that they make the game better/more balanced and shouldn't be all removed, especially when it's relatively either to compensate.
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