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Cloud8690
I'm not an enchanter but I don't get why people charge so much for enchants when I have the mats. I could understand if the enchants had a 3 day CD or something but when I was JC I still didn't charge money for something if the buyer had the mats. Why do chanters do this? A tip is understandable but when they start charging upwards of 50-100g? Pft
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Quesac
I'm not an enchanter but I don't get why people charge so much for enchants when I have the mats. I could understand if the enchants had a 3 day CD or something but when I was JC I still didn't charge money for something if the buyer had the mats. Why do chanters do this? A tip is understandable but when they start charging upwards of 50-100g? Pft
Because we can't put together a bundle of materials, create an enchant and list it in the Auction House, like other professions can. I heard a rumor that blizzard is testing something along this path, but it's only a rumor, so I'm not holding my breath for it.
Then there's the whole issue of how expensive it is for us to level our enchanting. We had to eat the cost of enchanting till we got to the top. Just because you brought the mats, doesn't mean you are entitled to a free enchant. I had costs to get to where I can provide that service for you. That cost is being passed on to you. If we can't make Gold at this profession, then what is the point of doing it? My epic flyer is just as expensive as yours, yet you would want me to give away my services for free, while you make gold with your professions? In the words of Al Boirlyn on Tooltime "I don't think so Tim".
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Quesac
I should have been more specific. I was talking about the 375 enchants and rare drop enchants. Like for Mongoose, on my server, a low pop server, I can charge 100G per enchant, with your mats . Now on Spellpower (+40 spell damage to 2 hand weapon), not so much, mostly tips come from those because a lot of people have that enchant. It's all about supply and demand.
Here's the thing with other gathering professions, you have better access to the mats, then an enchanter has to enchanting mats. We get our mats from greens/blues/epics that drop, and then only if they aren't anything that will sell for more then the Disenchant is worth We can't run a pattern and hit all the nodes, or pick an area and skin all our kills. That being said, you can farm mats for leatherworking, Blacksmithing, or Herbalism, much more efficiently, then I can farm mats for Enchanting. That forces me to have to buy materials (or items that disenchants into the mats I need) more so then the other professions.
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Quesac
I would also like to mention that enchanting mats cost nothing to post in AH, which is great. farm for greens, DE post until they sell at no cost. So for a crafting profession it does have that one advantage.
That's a valid point. But the downside, is we can't vendor our mats.
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spikeh
Here's the thing with other gathering professions, you have better access to the mats, then an enchanter has to enchanting mats. We get our mats from greens/blues/epics that drop, and then only if they aren't anything that will sell for more then the Disenchant is worth We can't run a pattern and hit all the nodes, or pick an area and skin all our kills. That being said, you can farm mats for leatherworking, Blacksmithing, or Herbalism, much more efficiently, then I can farm mats for Enchanting. That forces me to have to buy materials (or items that disenchants into the mats I need) more so then the other professions.
Did you even read what Boorah posted? Enchanting is not meant to be a gathering and crafting profession in one. You can't expect to easily gain access to mats as well as crafting the enchants. The fact that you can, freeing a primary profession slot in the process, should be in itself a huge advantage.
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dslyecix
But isn't his point that if we DONT have access to the mats... then we have to buy them. Yet people still expect us to provide their enchants for very little money.
If I had to pay 2g for the mats to make your particular chant (out of say a stack of 20 for 20g), some people still expect a free enchant. A leatherworker who pays 2g for his materials obviously gets paid for them since they're handing over a "product". Yet because our services are intangible and no physical 'item' gets moved, people think it doesn't cost us anything and should be free...
At least that's my experience so far, I'm nowhere near 375.
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Quesac
Enchanting isn't meant to be a gathering profession? Really? Where else can I get enchanting mats if I don't gather them?
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Persen
Another thing..... One of my alts have 375 enchanting. I guess I've spent several thousands of gold buying recipes. I know battlemaster, potency, if you find em in AH, I got em. Now, I tend to level lots of alts... and I want enchants for them. Every time I need something, I get so frustrated because I have to PAY OTHER PEOPLE insane fees to do an enchant that I bought for 500g!
MAKE ENCHANTING SCROLLS BLIZZARD!
(You "enchant" a piece of parchment the same way you'd enchant gear. The "scroll" can then be mailed/traded/put in AH and used like a armor kit)
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Celdhyrean
One of the reason for Enchanters wanting a fee in addition to mats is probably this :
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22463
(lookup the mats) and all the other versions of it which also cost a lot relative to the level where you have to get them.
The only equivalent is the Alchemist mercurial stone, which is a one time craft (upgradable but that's not relevant to the crafting effect) and a lot less expensive.
Also as has been said previously, you can't stock up on enchants. To level up, either you waste a lot of mats on things you don't need (enchanting the same item repeatedly) or you wait hours in the trade channel, spamming, and mostly getting sends for enchants that are grey to you and not those that would level you up. All other crafts can stock up items and sell them at whatever pace they wish afterwards, meaning it's both fast and never completely wasted.
I'm a 375 enchanter with a lot of recipes myself, but i don't bother advertising because of the hassle.
I don't value money over the drama and questions about mats and stuff that anyone could look up on internet that would arise through that. (worst offender is "what do you have for that slot ?")
I answer questions on mats for specific enchants if they are asked in the trade channel, I do enchants for guildies for free, do them for friends of guildies for tips, and do them for unknown people for 10 gold, if it's a rare one and if i'm in the mood/have nothing else to do.
(also i'm a dps, getting money is easy enough without having to resort to enchanting)
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Celdhyrean
While i agree that people expect too much/have no idea about the cost of levelling other proffessions, i have some comments here :
to get plentiful leather any time I show up in an instanceI don't get any free enchant mats when doing an instance (except if i solo it) : boe's are greeded by everyone and bop's are sharded (if noone needs it) and then rolled on. If an enchanter is in an instance, everyone in the group gets an equal chance at mats out of it.
(and i disenchant greens for guildies at no cost)
to have people figure out how to get mats I need to skill up, bring them to me, give them to me, and then pay me nicely for clicking a button.That's what i do when i ask something from any crafter, there's no difference really. Except that you can all ALSO craft before having a customer, but then that's a different situation with it's own benefits and problems.
And oh yea, it's be nice if I could buy cheap stuff off the AH, tear it into leather mats, then turn around and sell those mats for triple to price.You can't turn them from one to the other (not both ways), but the leather scraps market is a strange one in itself. Miners can sunder primal in motes, jewelcrafters can turn green gems into a blue one (with a chance at an epic one), alchemist can transmute primal earth into primal water, ...
It's not that unique, though i agree that the complexity of the enchanting mats market and the huge demand makes it somewhat extreme in that.
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