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Post by
Philmckraken
Read the first sticky post at the top of this forum. The answers to all your questions are contained therein.
Post by
GenXCub
You can start at level 35ish with the aoe grinding.
you need a shield with a shield spike on it (try to get thorium over mithril if you can)
you need blessing of sanctuary
you have retribution aura on
Here's how I would look @ level 40 (and then get imp holy shield)
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZVGLI00zxLo
you're just hitting holy shield as it comes off cooldown, when your current target is getting low on HP, you judge a new target and continue on. (Judge and Seal of Light, until your mana gets low and then throw J/S of wisdom in there... your mana is essentially your life).
Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BClwqeKmLFY
The trick is to find places that have all melee mobs. Ranged and casters will mess you up, unless there's only 1 or 2, and then you would pull all the melee mobs TO the ranged mob.
Consecrate is optional since you'll do okay without it, it kills faster, but you're oom faster too.
Post by
blademeld
pssh, i use SoW/JoW
consecrate will do more damage than holy shield once you get more mobs
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Post by
Gannick
Mana shouldn't really be a problem if you're judging wisdom or using the seal and you should almost always have a consecrate down. The fact that BoS not only reduces damages but also returns it makes it the better choice by allowing you to kill faster through reactive damage and survive longer. However, if you're looking to pick out certain mobs for a quest and you can't AoE effectively, such as if there are too many caster/ranged mobs, then by all means use BoW to keep your mana higher since your consecrates will be very inefficient or you'll be judging righteousness to kill faster.
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Post by
Blightman
BoSan... minimal damage done, even less reduced.
If mana is even somewhat an issue... BoW > BoSan. Consecration will do far more damage then Sanctuary ever will. Not being able to keep your max consecrate down because you don't have the mana... is very counter productive.
BoSan is good against some mobs, for example
http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=24917
BoSan reduces there little pulse attack to about 10-12 a pulse
Rule of thumb for BoSan:
vs melee its crap because it is applied before armor reduction
vs big bang spells its crap, it is a small value its damge reduction is done before IRF or Spell Warding
vs DOTs/Channeled spells it can be real nice since it reduces the damage from each tick, if the tick is normally 100 its about a 90% damage reduction, if the tick is normally 200 its about a 40% damage reduction
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Post by
blademeld
Because BoW/JoW wont be enough eventually to keep holy shield, consecration + heals (either during with a bubble or after).
:S
healing?
I find JoW/SoW more than enough to keep up HS at least though
lolwut?
/wrist
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Post by
blademeld
nope, I have a level 54 (atm) paladin that I've been prot grinding as well
and I doubt you can AoE grind at level 1
:S
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Post by
blademeld
- bandaging when bubbling, is more efficient
Only while leveling though.
I DEMAND PRIMAL MOONCLOTH BANDAGES
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Post by
Blightman
You need to tank into consideration the level of the OP. "Hi im new". I.e. not 70 and fighting the mob you linked.
BoSanc
R1: -10dmg; 14 dmg block; lvl 30
R2: -14dmg; 21 dmg block; lvl 40
R3: -19dmg; 28 dmg block; lvl 50
R4: -24dmg; 35 dmg block; lvl 60
R5: -80dmg; 46 dmg block; lvl 70
BoW
R1: 10mp5; lvl 14
R2: 15mp5; lvl 24
R3: 20mp5; lvl 34
R4: 25mp5; lvl 44
R5: 30mp5; lvl 54
R6: 33mp5; lvl 60
R7: 41mp5; lvl 65
Being able to keep up holy shield (which should have a shield spike) and consecration with ret aura up is going to do plenty of return dmg. You will eventually run out of mana. Because BoW/JoW wont be enough eventually to keep holy shield, consecration + heals (either during with a bubble or after). Until rank 5 BoSan is really weak.
But no matter what, the OP will have to play with what works best for him.
The OP's level is not relevant to when BoSan is useful and when it is not.
I linked 1 example mob, there will be mobs with DOTs or channeled spells at most level ranges and against those mobs BoSan can be useful.
As I said:
vs melee - its crap because it is applied before armor reduction
vs big bang spells - its crap, it is a small value its damage reduction is done before IRF or Spell Warding
vs DOTs/Channeled spells - it can be real nice since it reduces the damage from each tick. For some DOTs this can be a 90% damage reduction.
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Post by
Blightman
WARNING WALL OF TEXT AND MATH AHEAD
So I'm gonna take a stab in the dark... and figure.. you didn't bother reading the entire thread before you went on a 1 man crusade?
Go up 1 post from yours, read the last paragraph.
Well I'm betting you are not referring to:
rawr....
So lets summarize the thread:
Op asks for
advice on AoE tanking
Someone gives some advice mentions using BoSan
You say that AoE tanking should be done with BoW because BoSan has poor mitigation and the mana regen is better
Some people question the mana regn part of your argument
I post some advice on when the mitigation part is useful
I haven't addressed you mana regen claims which are poor.
And since you'll have higher mana rate... you can consecrate... thus killing faster... thus taking less damage.... hence not needing BoSanc.
Max rank BoW gives 41 MP5, Max rank consecration costs 660. 660/41*5= 80s to get 1 free consecration. You can do your own math for lowers ranks but it works out to about 1 free consecration every minute and a half. This is not really going to speed you up that much
Now lets compare the damage mitigation of BoSan vs extra mana for healing:
At max rank BoW you get a free max rank FoL every 21s for basically 500 health. The amount of mitigation BoSan provides is harder to factor because it will depend on how many mobs you are tanking and what sort of attacks they are using.
Assuming all the attacks are melee and a standard mob attack rate and ignoring the extra damage BoSan adds that can kill the mobs faster(less damage taken):
the formula is FolHeal/( BoSan * (100-armor mitigation percent)*(100-improved righteous fury mitigation)/mob attack rate) = # of melee only mobs for BoSan to = BoW's free FoL:
If armor mitigation is 75% then: 500/80*.25*.94/2 = 13 mobs
If armor mitigation is 70% then: 500/80*.30*.94/2 = 11 mobs
If armor mitigation is 65% then: 500/80*.35*.94/2 = 9 mobs
If armor mitigation is 60% then: 500/80*.40*.94/2 = 8 mobs
If armor mitigation is 55% then: 500/80*.35*.94/2 = 7 mobs
If armor mitigation is 50% then: 500/80*.50*.94/2 = 6 mobs
If armor mitigation is 45% then: 500/80*.45*.94/2 = 6 mobs
If armor mitigation is 40% then: 500/80*.40*.94/2 = 5 mobs
But if even 1 mob starts doing damage that is not mitigated by armor the number of mobs required to be better than BoW/FoL drops fast. The formula would be FolHeal/( BoSan * (spell warding mitigation percent)*(100-improved righteous fury mitigation)/mob attack rate
If all the attacks are non-melee and occur every 2s it takes 3 mobs to be better than BoW/FoL.
In practice, it will fall somewhere in between with a mix of attack types, Figure if you are tanking more than 5 mobs BoSan will be better for you. The damage mitigation will about equal the FoL Bow would have given you and the extra damage will kill them faster(more than 5 mobs will eat all the HS charges) saving you even more health
OK now i'm confused, am I misleading by talking about hi level mobs or by talking about low level mobs?
*sigh*...
You need to tank into consideration the level of the OP. "Hi im new". I.e. not 70 and fighting the mob you linked.
As for the "90%" channel/dot dmg reduction... at low levels, maybe. But as players and NPC's scale up, and BoSan doesn't (not very well). Kinda makes it a misleading.
At the lower levels there are plenty of mobs with DOTs, raptors with bleed effects come to mind. If you are tanking 5 or more of them they add up real quick. The mitigation from BoSan is very effective against that. At the higher levels there are plenty of mobs with abilites that BoSan can help with. I linked the
phase wyrm
becuase if you are doing the daily
Maintaining the Sunwell Portal
you will be fighting them. If you get 4-5 of them pulsing for 100 a pulse it is really noticable when you cut that to 10 a pulse.
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