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H MgT - Another fail at healing...
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Post by
ArgentSun
There are probably quite a few topics like this...but that instance shows a fail on my paladin. I've downed the 3rd boss only 2 times, and Kael - not even one. Is it bad group strategy? Or not the "right" class? Is it because I am paladin, or because I am missing some crucial piece of gear? Why do I fail? =\
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Sakkura
Healing at Kael is difficult for a paladin compared to the other healing classes that can just rely on instant cast hots and AOE heals.
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anywherenotes
with 2k unbuffed you can heal it, I healed normal with 1.7k
The trick for last boss is when he throws you up in the air, you all should go back to the starting area and get healed up.
Ideally the group for last boss is: 1 melee and 2 ranged., or 3 ranged, but no more than 1 melee.
The melee can stand on boss at all times, and the ranged kite and kill the bird and the boss.
Than you dps down his shield as fast as possible or he will 1-shot the tank (he hit me for 40k once :( ... and well I don't have 40k)
So lets say bird and egg is down, and now you're flying in the air:
1 - get all collected in the beginning of the room and heal them all up.
2 - from this point on, both tank and any melee are utterly useless, and either should not be healed (if they want to finish instance they'll understand) or only be healed when you and all melee are at 100% or damned close to it.
As tank, I actually tell my healers not to heal me at this point, and they still do, but than a whipe is on their heads.
But I would say that this instance is a slap in a face to all paladin healers. It's one of the reasons I went prot, I didn't like being holy before, but this place was like: paladins should not heal!!!!, so I said, f-it, fine, I'll tank.
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120885
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Post by
Sakkura
Yeah...I don't think 1.2k +healing is
quite
enough for HMgT...especially for a pally there..
Somehow I suspect he may have more +healing when he isn't stuck in fishing gear ;P
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ArgentSun
I was in fishing? /ashamed...
Normally I have 1800.
Post by
Gannick
I've healed H Mgt a few times and i'm sitting at around 1.5k heals. The 3rd boss is really the only one that causes me any trouble since the group make-up differs so much and the fight definitely won't go the same way twice. It'll probably take a couple wipes, but your group will probably pull it together and beat the Arena match.
As for Kael, if your group is able to break his shield and interrupt the pyro then you should be fine (or at least dps him down to 50% by the time the tank dies from the pyro). Tell your group where to go for Kael and if they don't, let them die. As long as you're starting of at >50% of your mana pool once Kael throws you in the air, you should have plenty of mana and regen to heal yourself and the smart dps so that they can take him down. Just don't panic about Kael, it's not a dps race and just make sure your dps isn't risking their lives trying to get that last hit in. Play it safe and he'll go down in ~5 min.
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Sakkura
I've healed H Mgt a few times and i'm sitting at around 1.5k heals. The 3rd boss is really the only one that causes me any trouble since the group make-up differs so much and the fight definitely won't go the same way twice. It'll probably take a couple wipes, but your group will probably pull it together and beat the Arena match.
As for Kael, if your group is able to break his shield and interrupt the pyro then you should be fine (or at least dps him down to 50% by the time the tank dies from the pyro). Tell your group where to go for Kael and if they don't, let them die. As long as you're starting of at >50% of your mana pool once Kael throws you in the air, you should have plenty of mana and regen to heal yourself and the smart dps to take him down. Just don't panic about Kael, it's not a dps race and just make sure your dps isn't risking their lives trying to get that last hit in. Play it safe and he'll go down in ~5 min.
Do you play a paladin? Because I doubt it's a mana issue that makes him wipe at Kael air phase, it's having to move away from orbs making it impossible for him to heal enough with his cast time single-target heals.
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Post by
Sakkura
Also, it may be that I play a DPS class, but on my Hunter, I can actually whip out normally 3 1:1 Shot Rotations before I really have to move, which takes around 4-5 seconds. I can sometimes do more, and sometimes the orbs are addicted to me.
/shrug
Yeah well 5 seconds is only enough for a paladin to get 2 holy lights off. That leaves 3 people on their way to dying. Or 3 flash of lights, which leaves 2 people dying, and 3 people still far from full hp.
The difference is that a druid will just put hots on everyone and they will keep healing while he moves. A shaman will just use chain heal to get multiple people topped off in one go. A priest will be putting instacast stuff like renew, prayer of mending and perhaps shield on people while moving, and do some AoE heal when there's a chance to stand still.
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Post by
Eliel
Big tip for Kael: If you have good DPS and a solid tank that can hold over them, you can drop Kael to 50% BEFORE he Pyroblasts, meaning he'll never use it.
The Pyro is timed from what I can tell (though what the time is I'm not sure, Wowwiki says 60 secs), so 2 DPS classes pushing out 1k DPS a piece will do it, while the third one kites the Phoenix and kills the egg (Phoenix loses health over time on it's own, you only need to keep aggro over the healer on it, not burn it down quickly).
I've found that like this, the Phoenix will be low at around 60% of Kael's life, the kiting player can finish it off and burn the egg, while the two DPS drop Kael to below 50% before Pyroblast.
It's a perfect plan. The only trouble is making sure you have 3 good DPS, not 3 random scrubs.
Post by
Ro3man
I tried to get into a group that was doing H MgT today, but 1790 healing was not good enough for them, they said I needed 1900 healing(they also said something about no pally healers, lucky me I am a priest). As long as everyone is geared and does their job, do I really need 1900+ healing for this?
Post by
Sakkura
I tried to get into a group that was doing H MgT today, but 1790 healing was not good enough for them, they said I needed 1900 healing(they also said something about no pally healers, lucky me I am a priest). As long as everyone is geared and does their job, do I really need 1900+ healing for this?
No way. You can do it with significantly less. I could understand if they were asking for more on a paladin healer.
Magister's terrace, even on heroic, is not about having imba gear. It is about skills and coordination.
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Post by
Ro3man
No way. You can do it with significantly less. I could understand if they were asking for more on a paladin healer.
Magister's terrace, even on heroic, is not about having imba gear. It is about skills and coordination.
So true!! :-)
As healer you need to know your limitations and prioritise your heals like said before... Don't heal the tank untill the Grav Lapse is over. Focus on the DPS and ofc yourself.
The thing about the last boss is that you need to find a way to survive the first bubble atleast with all the DPS so they can nuke him afterwards before another lapse starts.
Most important thing to do is tell the grp where you will be standing to heal them so that they can come to you.
Wanting an overgeared healer is prolly because they want to be able to slack ;-)
That is what I thought. I ended up getting another group today. We only made it to the 2nd boss and downed him after a couple tries since tank had to go for work(had a lil trouble with adds till we figured out what worked best for our party setup). I also got
Rod of the Blazing Light!!!
which I proceded to gem and enchant immediately giving me over 1900+ healing after buffed and all consumables. I should now pass everyone's not enough +heal to heal X heroic.
As for you pally healers who most people do not want to give a chance to, just try to find someone who knows you are skilled enough to heal and party with them. As long as everyone does their job, you should be able to do it just fine. Whenever I get a good PuG, it so easy. Looking around at various forums, pally healers can do it, just a bit more difficult for you guys at times.
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