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Choosing a Race (Updated 10/24/08)
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Post by
Wildhorn
why do you say:
Throwing Specialization
*
Fairly useless in PvE,
mediocre in PvP
, as most Rogues use thrown weapons in conjunction with Deadly Throw .
1% crit is nice.
Diplomacy
*
Incredible racial,
good for PvP
, awesome for PvE to gain faction reputation.
Last time i checked, reputation was useless in PvP.
Berserking
*
Good for PvP, better for PvE to increase DPS.
imo it is better for PvP, because this is where you have the most chance to be "badly hurt".
Arcane Torrent
*
Mediocre for PvE sincea large percentage of bosses are immune to silence effects.
This is not mediocre for PvE, if you have 3 charges, this is a +30 energy bonus.
EDIT: Btw, if you want to get this sticky, post a topic about it in Site Feedback forum.
Post by
PureGold
Yeah the energy thing is pretty stable. I doubt that the Racial berzerk will scale with level considering that Energy is always at 100 I've seen it at 120 but that was due to some effect of something. Why would it cost all your energy to use a racial?
Post by
kicklucky
Throwing Specialization
What I meant about the Throwing Specialization is not that its bad, just that its not that great. 1% crit is always nice, but the majority of Rogues only use their throwing weapons when combined with Deadly Throw, which is more important for the slowing and silence effect than actual damage.
Diplomacy
At level 70, it is fairly useless as anything that is rewarded from PvP factions is still targeted for the level 60 cap. However, for anyone who is PvP'ing in the lower brackets, (twinks for example) would like the extra rep boost to get associated gear.
Berzerking
With Berzerking the full benefit of the talent is gained when you are under 30% health and it is not as likely to receive heals to keep you alive for it to matter. In PvE you will get better use out of it whether it is a 10% boost or a 30% boost, since you would most likely be stacking it with Blade Flurry, S&D, etc.
Arcane Torrent
Point Taken. But again, you aren't getting the full benefit of the racial due to the silence effect being insignificant. I will change the wording around a bit and see if that justifies it a bit better.
Post by
HighFive
Good work.
Suggestion: Use the \ tag with starting stats, so the formatting works
Str | Agi | Sta | Int | Spi
21 | 23 | 21 | 20 | 21
Post by
kicklucky
Good Call.
Post by
razzem
To the OP:
You might change that Treasure Finder is more than neutral to rogues, being the sneaky class that we are and can get to chests, CC, then pick off the mobs until the chest is all ours.
Post by
kicklucky
Good for all classes, no specific benefit to Rogues.
That sounds pretty neutral to me =).
Post by
112427
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Post by
Lohr
Mana Tap
Good for all classes, no specific benefit to Rogues.
I believe this does benefit me as it the more you mana tap the more energy you get once you silence allowing you do keep your options open.
Arcane Torrent Racial
Instant 2 min cooldown
Silence all enemies within 8 yards for 2 sec. In addition, you gain 10 Energy for each Mana Tap charge currently affecting you.
Edited: I guess someone else mentioned this .. owel!
Post by
kicklucky
It is beneficial to Rogues, but its as equally beneficial to all classes, not specifically Rogues.
Post by
105540
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Post by
kicklucky
No. I chose not to put a "best" disclaimer on any of the races because I feel that the racials
should not
and
are not
the end all be all decision maker when it comes to your character. Yes, you listed some benefits to those races, and they are mentioned in my original post. However, an Undead Rogue is not going to beat a Gnome Rogue because he has WotF. All of the racial abilities are situational, and it comes down to what the person playing the character wants out of his or her experience.
Post by
105540
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Post by
kicklucky
Perception and WotF
are
situational. If you aren't fighting another stealther or a fearing class...they are useless. Having Escape Artist might be a benefit if it comes down to a clutch Frost Nova / Entangle Roots. Some are more desired by PvP Rogues due to the current state of Arena and its prevolent compositions, however, being a Human / Undead Rogue is not going to get you to 2K simple because of your racial. Thats like saying you will never see Black Temple unless you are an Orc, because they have Blood Fury.
Edit: Drunken Typos...hic*
Post by
105540
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Post by
kicklucky
Choosing a race strictly based on its racial is ignorant. This is not a thread to argue about a technicality. This is a guide to provide information on each race and the specific benefits to the Rogue class. I chose to do so in an unbiased way, where I'm not pushing my own agenda to sway peoples decision. I will not change my post, and anyone who is looking to "counter a team composition" has undoubtedly played one or more classes to 70, knows the racials, has experience in Arena, and does not need this guide. This is for everyone else and I'll ask that you please leave the subject alone.
Post by
105540
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Post by
kicklucky
The guide is meant to inform, not persuade. A person has the right to choose the race they want. If you want to push an agenda, post another thread. Leave it alone.
Post by
105540
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Post by
kicklucky
CHOOSING A RACE
This guide is to provide basic information on choosing a race for starting a Rogue. I am going to refrain from discussing the base stats for each race, as they are largely irrelevant as you progress.
Ultimately, it comes down to a personal choice
as to what you want to play, but this will attempt to
inform you of the hard statistics and racial differences
to guide you in your decision.
The topic is her to curb the amount of "what race should i choose" threads that clutter the forums. Not to tell people their decision is wrong because Nocturnum doesn't agree.
Leave. it. alone.
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