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Farming honor BEFORE level 70?
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Post by
Philmckraken
For healers, AB is also a great choice, as there are always opportunities to go to a node in trouble and heal your teammates, providing you with massive honor.
Healing does not give you honor points, at least not the way I understand it.
Honor points come from wins and HKs, and HKs come from being nearby when an enemy kill happens, so if you are a healer, you get HKs from healing the guys that are doing the killing...I guess the end result is the same, though healing does not directly affect how much honor you get.
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Philmckraken
healing does not directly affect how much honor you get.
Have you ever TRIED healing in pvp? if sombody on your team is fighting, and you heal them, and as a result, they kill their opponent, you get an HK. HKs give you honor. And it's actually a lot more than you'd think. We're not talking HK:Private, we're talking HK:Knight. Now imagine you're defending a node with 3-4 teammates from a zerg, and you're healing your team through the fight.... It adds up VERY quickly. More often than not, ESPECIALLY in ABs or AVs, I top the HK list as well as the Most Healing Done list.
ergo: healing for honor = win
OK, you should read my post again, since you're counter-pointing with exactly what I posted. There is no direct relationship between healing done and honor points earned, just as there is no direct relationship with damage to honor. If you were healing those defending a node, but they were not able to kill anyone, then you would receive no honor from it, because no HKs had occurred. In practice, this would not happen that much, (if at all) but as I stated, you will not receive any honor points as a direct result of you healing someone.
Also, it is my understanding that there in no more honor to be gained from HKing someone who has a higher PvP rank.
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Philmckraken
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that make healing just as viable as trying for kills? Because if you're doing damage, and as you said, they get away, no honor.
I think we're saying the same things here. I know there's no DIRECT correlation between healing and honor, but it stands to reason that someone who is low on health suddenly being healed up has a distinct advantage in a fight, versus an opponent who has no healer on him, or has to self-heal. I know I've personally turned around some 3,4, or even 5 on 1 fights with effective healing (and use of cc's and doing damage when I could) just by showing up and healing my guy up to full health when he was just about dead.
Yeah, we're saying exactly the same thing, just phrasing it differently every time we post it. : )
BG healers are the difference between holding that node/flag/GY and losing it, and I've been in some BGs where the healers phoned it in or just weren't there...We didn't win any of those.
The longer you keep me alive, the more guys I kill, the more honor we both get.
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Philmckraken
Glad we agree ^_^
Yeah, but apparently you play for
that other team,
so just know that I'm coming after you first if we're in the same BG. It's nothing personal, just business. : )
Post by
Revived
The best way for farm honor it at level 69 at the moment and make experience with daily PvP, when you reach level 70 you are full geared with Gladiator's and you are ready for PwN in Bg a bit and in Arenas...
In my opinion is the best way, for fun you can do Battlegrounds everytime you want, for daily or for relaxing.
By the way if you want to do PvP for gear do it at level 69.
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Philmckraken
Yeah, but apparently you play for
that other team,
so just know that I'm coming after you first if we're in the same BG. It's nothing personal, just business. : )
Haha I look forward to it. Should be a nice long battle, if nobody interrupts us. Probably last half the bg lol. I suggest the flag room in wsg, nobody's ever there. What battlegroup are you in?
Battlegroup? What's a battlegroup? : )
Emberstorm. Unfortunately, I repsecced back to prot a few days ago, so that would be a loooong battle. When I'm back to Ret, I'll let you know. :)
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Philmckraken
haha that would take forever. a holy paladin against a prot pally? 'Twould be interesting, though. A real test of skill (or gear, I suppose), as the two specs are the antithesis of eachother.
I'd imagine it going down something like this:
You white-hitting me and keeping cons up, me healing through it, running cons as well, and Holy Shocking you occasionally, crit-shocking you whenever DF is off cd. Be interesting to see who'd win. Oh, and you'd have to be chasing me the whole time. THAT's always fun. Unless you're in full s3 or something... Then I'd just have my ass handed to me.
Both of our cleanse hotkeys would be worn out by the end of it, if it ever ended. I'm guessing it could go on for several hours.
My prot gear is currently sub-par, so there will be no ass-handing from me.
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Teferi
To get back to the original subject...
I am currently grinding honor at 69 for my season two mage set. This was already stated that the gear in this bracket is not blues and greens against high end season gear and noone will one shot you if you are smart. Stack as much stam as you can without ignoring your other needs (for me crit, dmg and int). I am currently pushing almost 7k hp as a frost mage which is a decent amount for the competition. The intention here is to purchase my boots, belt and bracers then honor cap for season four release which should almost get me everything i need aside from rings and neck...and likely the staff, which is not quite as class dependant as lets say a good 2h for a warrior.
I chose this bracket to grind my honor because its the closest honor gain to being level 70 and AV is just darn good honor even at 69. My suggestion is however, don't burn your marks too quickly on the new badge turn in quest. Cap out your marks first, then start handing them in and immediately build them back up. The gear when you hit 70 does cost a load of marks (i believe i counted about 80 AV marks alone) and having to run bgs just for marks if you prematurely grind to 70 without gear will be a pain in the arse.
Oh, and by the way...it is possible to grind 8k per day in about an 8 hour session if you can actually consistantly win the holiday weekend bgs. AB was last weekend and i believe i lost two games total.
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Philmckraken
Oh, and by the way...it is possible to grind 8k per day in about an 8 hour session if you can actually consistantly win the holiday weekend bgs. AB was last weekend and i believe i lost two games total.
I did close to 10k in 6 hours on a Wednesday night...but that was a lot of AV.
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Teferi
I did close to 10k in 6 hours on a Wednesday night...but that was a lot of AV.
Alot of alliance AV i am assuming. Trouble is horde can't grasp the concept of forward and rear defense like the alliance in my battlegroup do. I farm my honor, as horde, in the other BGs and only roll AV for the marks.
My best advice: Find the BG that you net the most honor per hour and roll that.
Post by
sargetony
This is what I recommend; BG while you can just to get the marks, don't worry about the honor, it will build.
I am a 70 now and what I did is I started taking BGs seriously at 61 and by the time I was 70, I had all of my gladiator gear to include the weapons. What hurts the most is marks, honor is easy to grind in AV ( I am alliance on Whirlwind) and so honor shouldn't be an issue. What always (and still) holds me up is the marks. (Whirlwind always loses AB, WSG and EotS)
If you start low level, win or lose, and keep doing it once in a while, you will have max marks by the time you are 70 to get what you want. What I did was buy what I wanted and put it in the bank, as soon as I hit 70, I put on full gladiator gear, and ohhhh what a difference!
Now I am a 70 and having to grind BGs so that I can get the belt, bracers and boots. If I had started at it as a low-level, I would have more than enough marks for the gear.
In reality, I ground the BGs for a month or two and had enough honor for all of the gladiator gear. Now I just need the stuff for the belt, bracers and boots.
DO NOT TRADE IN MARKS FOR HONOR!! Honor is very easy to grind, it is the marks that will take forever! I can see it if you are 200 honor short, but it is the marks that I hate grinding. I have been totally wasted in AV and still gotten 200 honor out of it. I wish Blizzard would have set it up so you could trade marks for marks instead of marks for honor. The fastest AV I have had is 11 minutes, that is 22 minutes for 400 honor which is better than a trade in (that is if you lose, and that was a win worth 500 honor).
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Philmckraken
Alot of alliance AV i am assuming. Trouble is horde can't grasp the concept of forward and rear defense like the alliance in my battlegroup do. I farm my honor, as horde, in the other BGs and only roll AV for the marks.
My best advice: Find the BG that you net the most honor per hour and roll that.
Funny how my battlegroup is exactly the opposite. The brilliant alliance tacticians in my group can't seem to grasp that the key to victory is to cap and hold IBGY; instead, they go for Galv first, let the horde fill the bottleneck, then wonder why we lost.
Even with the losses, AV is still the best honor-mill regardless of your particular battlegroup. Most of the matches on my epic honor-grind night were losses, but I still averaged over 300 per game, with mercifully short queue times.
Post by
Lightrain
Hehe, I don't want to get really started about av.... I think I may start an AV tactics topic and see if anyone listens in my battlegroup... LOL! If they listen to me, which they never do anymore(or rarely do), we win and usually gain 500+ honor just on the bg. If we turtle, I'm almost always the top healer in the BG. The only one that ever beat me was a t4 horde priest. And only because I stopped healing and was trying to get back to offense. Once I gave up that notion, I started gaining on his 200k advantage on my healing at the time. My favorite turtle, all ally was on D, and we pushed em out back to horde side. By the time the BG ended, I had 810K healing. I generated 900 honor on that bg. It took an hour, but it worked.
If you have a healer, AV is the way to grind. If you get a good dps and guard a bunker or the graveyard on D, you can grind some good honor that way. I don't know if 69 is actually a different bracket... Maybe on the other BG's, but in AV I have to try to slay s1-s3 horde with my 67 shadow priest. That's usually pretty funny when I do. I think they QQ after that.... LOL!
I rush RH, usually solo, cap it. Zerg is usually just getting to fwgy by then(since I had to kill a horde or 2 as holy cause they leave the low geared toons to camp rh. And if it's well geared 70s, I can only hope to kill the guards and hold out long enough for the rest of the ally to get there, which is more often then not usually. Go go holy pally ninja!). I tell em to cap it cause RH is deserted, and cap towers on the way in. Once I heal the 10 ally at half or less hp running out of arrow range, I drink, mount, and help IBT. Gotta love it when they leave 3 ally there when it will cap first and they will have plenty of time to rush up to frostwolf keep for the attempt on drek... If they would rush RH, I would by all means cap towers, but it seems I'm the only one suicidally stuborn enough to do it every time, and the only one talented enough to cap the flag and hold off horde for a descent amount of time. Gotta love consecration on guards, healing ally, healing self, and bursting horde all at the same time. =D Xperl for healing AV is a MUST! If you don't have it, get it! Download it. Learn to LOVE it. Before I DL'd it, I was mediocre as a BG healer. Site healing is a pain in the ass. Now I top the charts every BG unless it's an actual successful rush BG and everything goes as planned. In those cases, yes, I will get outhealed cause I'm not on the galv zerg healing there, I'm in RH healing myself to make sure the rush is a success.
The other bonus to the suicidal rush on RH is that it distracts all the nubs in RH. All that cc they have planned at the entrance is blown up by me, and then when the ally rush in a minute later, they are all trying to kill me back at the flag instead of guarding the bottle neck. This is why everyone says holy pally's are OP. If you don't have a skilled spell interupt to kill my healing, I WILL outheal your dps. Throw a rogue and priest in rh, and I'll probably be dead before the guards die. The one I hated the most was when a resto sham(level 66....) healed the guards on the rh flag. I had to dps the sham before killing the guards, and the guards did a good 5-6 times the amount of dps he does each.
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