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Something I never really thought about until the other day regarding the Alliance
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Post by
Adamsm
Like the UN does; everyone has a say, and everyone needs to agree to send in armies, compared to the Horde where they have no 'choice' for lack of a better term(as seen any time lately that Garrosh has ordered Baine and Vol'jin to send troops).
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Skreeran
Well, now Varian's moving into position as Supreme Leader.
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HiVolt
Well, now Varian's moving into position as Supreme Leader.
I still wonder how that's going to work. Will it be like Turalyon and Anduin Lothar, where he actually takes military advice from the other members of the Alliance? Or will it be more like the traditional Warchief role?
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Adamsm
Well, now Varian's moving into position as Supreme Leader.
I still wonder how that's going to work. Will it be like Turalyon and Anduin Lothar, where he actually takes military advice from the other members of the Alliance? Or will it be more like the traditional Warchief role?
I'd rather they choose one of the few left over surviving Generals of the other races and make them the Grand Commander; such as, oh I don't know, Shandis Feathermoon? I mean come on....Sentinel General of the Night Elf army for almost 10 thousand years; has a lot more tactical experience then Varian ever will.
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HiVolt
Well, now Varian's moving into position as Supreme Leader.
I still wonder how that's going to work. Will it be like Turalyon and Anduin Lothar, where he actually takes military advice from the other members of the Alliance? Or will it be more like the traditional Warchief role?
I'd rather they choose one of the few left over surviving Generals of the other races and make them the Grand Commander; such as, oh I don't know, Shandis Feathermoon? I mean come on....Sentinel General of the Night Elf army for almost 10 thousand years; has a lot more tactical experience then Varian ever will.
Definitely. Shandris would be an awesome choice for the position. But, just brainstorming here, how about Darius Crowely, or Thargas Anvilmar, or even calling back some of the forces from Outland? Danath Trollbane would be great, likewise with Arator the Redeemer and Kurdran Wildhammer. Granted, none of them would have the accumulated experience of Shandris, but I think all of them have just as much right to the position as she does. Danath and Kurdran especially.
But then, they probably won't call back anyone from Outland, seeing as we'll eventually use that as a staging point for the Army of Light, and they'll all likely be involved in that.
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Skreeran
If Vol'jin becomes Warchief (and Wright now, he's the most likely candidate, IMO), Danath TROLLbane Would make an excellent Alliance counterpart.
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Adamsm
The Crowely's would be a nice choice...but that means coming back from the limbo they currently reside in lol =P. But yeah, just anyone else rather then having all of the 'might' aligned behind Varian.
Though, in regards to Danath, still hoping if/when the actual war starts with the Forsaken, we'll see him back and kicking ass in Arathi, trying to free his cousin from the undeath that was forced on him.
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Lordplatypus
I'd rather they choose one of the few left over surviving Generals of the other races and make them the Grand Commander; such as, oh I don't know, Shandis Feathermoon? I mean come on....Sentinel General of the Night Elf army for almost 10 thousand years; has a lot more tactical experience then Varian ever will.
Tactical, Not Strategic.
Sun Tzu
"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
Varian is also an poltical figurehead, one just about every race can trust due to his various traits. (Goldin's whatever, King of stormwind (Longtime ally of dorfs and thus by extension gnomes) and ofcourse, believes in the light, which nets him dranie support.
The high king is NOT a field general, he looks over a map and commands various armies. Shandris probably will lead an battalion/regiment/whatever the hell.
EDIT: Whoops used bold instead of quote
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Adamsm
Tactical, Not Strategic.
And? She's still seen more war then Varian, and has led her forces in assaults against her enemies; she was there at the War of the Ancients, the Satyr Wars, the Third War, the Ashenvale Conflicts; as it stands, Varian only has about 5 years or so of true war conflict: First and Second War he was tucked away safe in Stormwind and Lordaeron, Third War he was moping in his kingdom while under control of Onyxia, he was kidnapped for most of Vanilla and BC, and only returned shortly before Wrath.
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Lordplatypus
I'll give you that, but overall theres the intangible factor that decides wars like nothing else.
Morale
Can shandris really rally footmen, paladins, thanes, riflemen, vindicators, tinkers or such? they'd see her as something different, whereas varian would be someone they can trust, believe in, rally to.
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Adamsm
I'll give you that, but overall theres the intangible factor that decides wars like nothing else.
Morale
Can shandris really rally footmen, paladins, thanes, riflemen, vindicators, tinkers or such? they'd see her as something different, whereas varian would be someone they can trust, believe in, rally to.
Yes she can; same as any commander of the Alliance forces does. While Varian has gotten better in Cata, there's still the fact that he was acting like a rage filled buffoon for most of Wrath; for all they know, he could regress at any moment and go all Ragehole again, and get them all killed....since you know, if Jaina hadn't of been there in the Undercity, he would have been killed as he was intending on trying to fight against Thrall, while Sylvanas was right there and Saurfang was approaching. Those types of things are a factor as well.
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Patty
That probably isn't known to every single troop in the Alliance, to be fair. I think the most accurate answer is actually merging both of yours. Varian is a great figurehead, he is known to pretty much every race for different positive reasons, but somebody like Shandris has significantly more strategic and tactical experience. It would make sense for her to be Varian's #2, but I think the writers have probably forgotten about her.
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Adamsm
but I think the writers have probably forgotten about her.
Surprisingly, out of the big ole batch of heroes and generals they brought to Theramore for the sole reason of killing them all off, both Shandris and Vereesa escaped the Mana bombing.
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Post by
Skreeran
Mmm, it's still an improvement over Vanilla & TBC, where none of the faction leaders did anything besides a few low level quest lines, and Wrath, where it was Thrall, Garrosh, and Varian all the time. In Cata, the other faction leaders actually started doing stuff. And now in MoP, Vol'jin, Baine, Tyrande, Jaina, and probably Sylvanas (she's apparently confirm to be involved in the Siege of Orgrimmar raid) are all getting new stuff.
Sure, I'd like to see Rexxar and Nazgrel and Shandris and Khadgar doing stuff, but you have to take what you get, and it sure is a helluva lit better than it was, lore-integration-wise.
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Rankkor
Mmm, it's still an improvement over Vanilla & TBC, where none of the faction leaders did anything besides a few low level quest lines, and Wrath, where it was Thrall, Garrosh, and Varian all the time. In Cata, the other faction leaders actually started doing stuff. And now in MoP, Vol'jin, Baine, Tyrande, Jaina, and probably Sylvanas (she's apparently confirm to be involved in the Siege of Orgrimmar raid) are all getting new stuff.
Sure, I'd like to see Rexxar and Nazgrel and Shandris and Khadgar doing stuff, but you have to take what you get, and it sure is a helluva lit better than it was, lore-integration-wise.
Don't forget about Lor'themar (Why everyone always does? T_T). He's getting also a lot of involvement.
All in all I gotta agree. On vanilla not one of the leaders ever did anything whatsoever. Thrall had some involvement in TBC (Hero of the Mok'nathal, Hyjal, and Durnhold) and WOTLK was dead-on focused on Garrosh and Varian acting like stupid manchilds (Though varian was thrown a little bone in ICC I guess)
Cata sure fixed that mistake. I had never seen Sylvannas take such a "hands on" approach to combat, she personally leads her forces in Gilneas, Silverpine, and Andonrhal, and it doesn't really seems like she's done.
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Lordplatypus
Lor'Themar? He got a freaking mana bomb! what did velen get? we still don't see the exodar up and running.
And for slyvannas, personally i have it in for her, lets hope she runs out of 1-up valkyrs soon.
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Rankkor
Lor'Themar? He got a freaking mana bomb! what did velen get? we still don't see the exodar up and running.
Mana Bomb? what the hell are you talking about? he wasn't involved with that, NOBODY in the horde knew about the bomb, except the closest flunkies of Garrosh. This is why everyone thought he was losing his mind on the theramoore assault, because he kept poking but not fully attacking. Nobody knew that his real plan was to attract as many alliance generals as possible to theramoore to drop the bomb on them.
As for Velen, he's had more involvement with the plot than Lor'themar could ever dream of. Asides from a small presence in the sunwell trilogy comic, and his involvement (out of the game) with Dar'Khan Drathir he has had ZERO involvement with the plot. Velen? was crucial on the sunwell raid (as well as the ending of TBC), played a role on the draenei starting zone, plays a role on the revamped Swap of Sorrows questline, Plays a role on Nobundo's backstory, plays a role with Anduin and his future, His leader short story isn't based in the past, but actual present events.
He's had way more than Lor'themar could ever hope for, including a unique model.
And for slyvannas, personally i have it in for her, lets hope she runs out of 1-up valkyrs soon.
You're not the only one. She used to be one of my favorite characters, but as of cataclysm, I consider her an embarrassment to the horde, and I want her gone. If you wanna kill her, I wont stay in your way.
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Lordplatypus
I wonder if slyvannas would be so popular if she wasn't a sex icon.
He's had way more than Lor'themar could ever hope for, including a unique model.
Lor'Themar has a unique model, it's slightly bulkier looking than your average Blood Elf
He's also seen as Garroshe's "Yes man" in tides of war, getting preferential seating and some respect from the warcheif. And infact he's rather cold to slyvannas as a result of having Garrosh to rely on for muscle.
He gets a one-on-one meeting with Warchief Garrosh Hellsqueak and corrects Hellsqueak to the face, getting his particular focus.
Velen gets all of nothing in the entirety of Wow post-BC other than an obligatory faction leader short that seems to focus more on anduin than on velen.
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