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Something I never really thought about until the other day regarding the Alliance
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Post by
Wilicil
Ah, I must've missed that bit in the plaguelands. Thanks.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Valks used to be empowered by the lich king or whatever, these days, the Ahem B***h queen doesn't have the evil powers to let them raise anything, hence they can only raise humans (And likely vry'kul)
Post by
Adamsm
It also happened in the Gilneas starting zone, where the Alliance sent in all of the other races but the Humans, since they could have been raised up.
And it's not a 'true' retcon as they aren't backed the Lich King anymore; but then again, most of the Valk's don't have the same power they did when they were part of the Scourge. After all, so far 4 of them have died reviving Sylvanas after her recent deaths, and the Scourge ones seemed to be just fine when it came to reviving 'powerful' heroes.
Post by
Atik
It also happened in the Gilneas starting zone, where the Alliance sent in all of the other races but the Humans, since they could have been raised up.
That was actually part of Silverpine. IIRC, the only alliance forces to show up at all in the Gilnean starting quests were night elves.
Post by
Adamsm
It also happened in the Gilneas starting zone, where the Alliance sent in all of the other races but the Humans, since they could have been raised up.
That was actually part of Silverpine. IIRC, the only alliance forces to show up at all in the Gilnean starting quests were night elves.
When the 7th Legion shows up Atik, it's Dwarves, Night Elves, some Draenei and Gnomes; no humans at all.
Post by
Atik
It also happened in the Gilneas starting zone, where the Alliance sent in all of the other races but the Humans, since they could have been raised up.
That was actually part of Silverpine. IIRC, the only alliance forces to show up at all in the Gilnean starting quests were night elves.
When the 7th Legion shows up Atik, it's Dwarves, Night Elves, some Draenei and Gnomes; no humans at all.
Yes, but that isn't during the starting zone. That's in Silverpine.
The only Alliance foreces in the starting zone are Night Elves, which was more because they were the first ones to decide to help the Gilneans than the whole Valk deal (Especially since Valks don't even show up in the starting zone either.)
Post by
Adamsm
Eh been a while since I made a Worgen /shrug
Post by
Rankkor
Valks used to be empowered by the lich king or whatever, these days, the Ahem B***h queen doesn't have the evil powers to let them raise anything, hence they can only raise humans (And likely vry'kul)
Shows how little you know about your lore, other than your own bias. There are 2 forms of necromancy in this world. Standard necromancy, which any schmuck can use, and raises a dead body into a simple undead creature with no will of its own, and bound to the will of the necromancer who raised them, and Val'kyr necromancy, which involves the vry'kul rune magic, this one is special because it raises a person as Undead, but allows them to retain both their free will, personality, and memories. Its also more practical because with your normal necromancy, kill the reanimator, and the reanimated falls down dead, but with the runic necromancy, the reanimated is a completely separated individual that can continue to exist even if the reanimator is killed.
Valks are only able to use their special necromancy on their own kind, and on humans because humans are descendants of the Vry'kul. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SYLVANNAS. Sylvannas is not "empowering" the valks.
Learn your lore before you spit nonsense.
They're undead. They can add to their ranks as they dwindle their enemies.Only if they are up against humans; Valk's can't use their powers on any of the other races, so all that needs to be done is field massive amounts of non-humans to negate that. And the Blight is like a nuke, which can be turned on the Forsaken as well and melt them from the inside out just like it does to everyone else.
Where was it stated that Sylvanas' val'kyr only work on humans? All I've seen of her val'kyr were in Silverpine, where they didn't work on the worgen, I assume because of their curse, but what's stopping them from raising dwarves or gnomes, or even horde races? If I recall, the val'kyr you fight before Valithria in Icecrown Citadel raises a dwarf and a blood elf when you pull her, although I believe the elf was already undead, and I don't remember if the dwarf was alive or not before.
The whole "Valks only raise humans" was a retcon added with Cata. They also show up in Plaguelands I know, where they can only raise humans.
It was explicitly explained by Blizzard, because people misinterpreted the Silverpine deal as Worgen being immune to Undeath, so they shed light on the situation.
That was not a retcon, on ICC that valk used normal necromancy on the argent crusaders. Notice how they stop acting like themselves and just attack you after this is done. During all of WOLTK we only saw the valk's "Special" necromancy on other vry'kul.
Post by
Skreeran
Easy there, rank. Don't need to start any fights.
Post by
Atik
That was not a retcon, on ICC that valk used normal necromancy on the argent crusaders. Notice how they stop acting like themselves and just attack you after this is done. During all of WOLTK we only saw the valk's "Special" necromancy on other vry'kul.
Well, the raised Crusaders attacking us could easily be explained as the "frenzy" effect we see during Silverpine and Andorhal when the Valks raise alliance forces who immediately start fighting for the Forsaken. (Which Blizz later explained.)
Post by
Rankkor
That was not a retcon, on ICC that valk used normal necromancy on the argent crusaders. Notice how they stop acting like themselves and just attack you after this is done. During all of WOLTK we only saw the valk's "Special" necromancy on other vry'kul.
Well, the raised Crusaders attacking us could easily be explained as the "frenzy" effect we see during Silverpine and Andorhal when the Valks raise alliance forces who immediately start fighting for the Forsaken. (Which Blizz later explained.)
however there's no way to prove that, and as someone wiser than me said, the simplest explanation is often the most accurate. What is simpler? that the valk used normal necromancy on those crusaders? or that she used the special necromancy, which then was retconed into only working for humans, which was then clarified into explaining that induces a frenzy on people that died in battle?
Come on.
Post by
Atik
Well, considering it's Blizzard, who love their retcons, the latter seems more likely. Especially since the Crusaders don't drop dead if you kill the Valk first.
Post by
Adamsm
I still don't consider it a true ret-con though; after all, if it was the same magic they use in Icecrown and the like, then there should be Vargual failures among the races. Or it was more the Lich King's power that was letting them raise up all races compared to just Vyrkul and Humans.
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306612
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Post by
Atik
Leonid also left the Forsaken quite early, and itsn't really comparable to other defectors. It's totally possibly that, early on, Sylvannas and the others would have freaked over someone leaving and hurting their already small numbers.
Meanwhile, the modern Forsaken offer you a fairly quick choice to stay or leave.
However, like Redpath shows us; if you choose to leave, you're now an enemy of the Forsaken and should probably GTFO as fast as you can.
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306612
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