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Something I never really thought about until the other day regarding the Alliance
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Post by
Skreeran
You are such a blatant horde lover you are absolutely unredeemable and need i say it an insult to every single WoW gamer. Slyvannas was losing throughout silverpine and bought her way out with kidnapping DARIS CROWLEY'S KID. and if that was all i seen of her, that would be enough for me to want to put her through the most horrible things i can imagine. The alliance would have retreated and sent in a superior force, not resort to whats literally so low even hittler didn't think of it.
Hey now.
Post by
Lordplatypus
We meet his human self in the form of a child do we not?
If we had slyvannas in charge of the scourge, she would just try to kill everything period, just like she's doing with the forsaken.
Post by
Rankkor
ohh you know what I'm not even gonna bother with this guy anymore.
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Post by
Adamsm
And arthas was a souless husk with all morality manually stripped out by that time.
I used the orcs as the closest thing to what happened to him for comparison, while the orcs were all forgiven, arthas, a man who went out of his way to help people (WC3 First and Second missions). was left to die for not being metzen's favorite race.
Bull $%^&: He still has his soul at that point. He didn't lose it till the end when he finally put the Armour of the Damned on. If you are going to say things, learn the full lore, rather then whatever biased history you want to pretend exists.
Edit: Also, the order was: Arthas picked up Frostmourne and got a bite of his soul taken, he hit Muradin and lost another bite, he killed his father had another bite, he killed Sylvanas and lost another piece of his soul, killed the king of the High Elves and there went another piece of his soul, killed Uther and lost another piece: Each major kill he did lost him another piece of his soul until the end when he finally put on the armour of the Damned and merged with the Lich King. All Frostmourne did was give his already cruel and sadistic side free reign; he wasn't a hero he was pathetic.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Edit: Also, the order was: Arthas picked up Frostmourne and got a bite of his soul taken, he hit Muradin and lost another bite, he killed his father had another bite, he killed Sylvanas and lost another piece of his soul, killed the king of the High Elves and there went another piece of his soul, killed Uther and lost another piece: Each major kill he did lost him another piece of his soul until the end when he finally put on the armour of the Damned and merged with the Lich King. All Frostmourne did was give his already cruel and sadistic side free reign; he wasn't a hero he was pathetic.
And you think slyvannas is a better person? Arthas had his soul sucked out by frostmourne, manipulated by the lich king and dreadlords, his PEOPLE SLAUGHTERED WHILE HE STOOD HELPLESS.
What happened to slyvannas? Oh yeah she got roflpwn'd by arthas and paid for literally goading him on with her afterlife.
She's a horribly flat character that gets her true colors revealed come cata, the mask comes of.
Soon as she can procreate her meatshields, she no longer running on a limited supply. and hence doesn't need as much backup. No more niceties.
Post by
Lordplatypus
ohh you know what I'm not even gonna bother with this guy anymore.
How am i the zealot, your the idiot with the $%^& traitor elf symbol,
outright ignore lordaeron for your favorite little quel'thalas and literally say the horde is morally superior to the alliance which spared them and got paid back with more deaths.
It's the same everywhere, people denying that the horde is evil.(##RESPBREAK##)16##DELIM##hatman555##DELIM##Consider this the first in post warning. Your intensity on this subject is forcing you to cross certain lines. Keep your tone civil, and do not insult forum members.
Post by
morginar
with the $%^& traitor elf symbol,
how are the sin´dorei traitors? explain?
It's the same everywhere, people denying that the horde is evil.
Horde is as 'evil' as aliance have god sides and bad(##RESPBREAK##)16##DELIM##hatman555##DELIM##
Post by
Lordplatypus
The Blood elves betrayed the alliance. Simple as that. And if you check Wowpedia, Garithos has all the reason in the world to hate them. Heck i'd feel the same way given the situation.
And worse yet, Horde is NOT as evil, it is infinitely moreso. The horde invades alliance territory, invades other alliance territory and harbor the forsaken.
The alliance tryed to simply imprison the orcs.
They should have rounded them all up then killed every single one of them.
Post by
Rankkor
How am i the zealot?
Is that a trick question?
your the idiot with the $%^& traitor elf symbol
Uhuh, Traitor elf symbol, that's nice. Who's the one that allowed High Elven Pilgrims to visit the sunwell, even though they had absolutely no reason to do so whatsoever? Yeah, that's what I though.
outright ignore lordaeron for your favorite little quel'thalas
I'm not. Orcs attacked lordaeron, and most of them got killed, the rest paid for their crimes in prison. A concentration-camp prison where they suffered every abuse a living being could endure for 30 years. That's more than enough punishment for the crimes they commited. Not to mention that most of the current orcs, are the children of those incarcerated on the camps. Now if you are not a zealot, look at me in the eye, and tell me that the children shouldn't have to pay for the crimes of their fathers.
and literally say the horde is morally superior to the alliance
If you truly knew me, you'd know I'd never say that. The horde and the alliance are morally gray, and neither is in a moral stand higher than the other. The alliance was morally superior during the first and second war, but after they won, they've lost the right to call themselves the righteous one.
I could list to you all the morally wrong actions they've done since they won, but you don't really give a shít so why should I?
which spared them and got paid back with more deaths.
If you weren't a zealot you'd notice that Sylvannas did the same for them in Silverpine, she had them by the throat, she was winning (Liberation forces on the north? wiped out. Worgens on Fenris island? wiped out. Druids to the west? wiped out. Mage town? wiped out. Forces in the burned down village? wiped out. Dwarven Commander and his forces? Wiped out). She forced them to surrender, and if she had wanted to, she could had finished them off. Instead she let them go.
Go ahead and deny that she let them go, prove my point to the rest of the forums and tell me, that she killed them all. Go on, I'm waiting.
which spared them and got paid back with more deaths.
Actually if they hadn't spared them, all of azeroth would had died. The horde was just as crucial as the alliance during the third war to defend azeroth from the legion. All things happen for a reason.
It's the same everywhere, people denying that the horde is evil.
Nah, that's just you. And a few others like you, trust me, you're not the first zealot we've had here, there's a long loooooooong list of predecessors who are exactly like you.
The horde is not evil. The alliance is not evil. Both sides have their honorable people, and their monsters.(##RESPBREAK##)16##DELIM##hatman555##DELIM##
Post by
hatman555
Lets keep the lore discussion up, and the personal insults down.
Cheers,
Hat
Post by
Atik
And arthas was a souless husk with all morality manually stripped out by that time.
I used the orcs as the closest thing to what happened to him for comparison, while the orcs were all forgiven, arthas, a man who went out of his way to help people (WC3 First and Second missions). was left to die for not being metzen's favorite race.
Bull $%^&: He still has his soul at that point. He didn't lose it till the end when he finally put the Armour of the Damned on. If you are going to say things, learn the full lore, rather then whatever biased history you want to pretend exists.
Edit: Also, the order was: Arthas picked up Frostmourne and got a bite of his soul taken, he hit Muradin and lost another bite, he killed his father had another bite, he killed Sylvanas and lost another piece of his soul, killed the king of the High Elves and there went another piece of his soul, killed Uther and lost another piece: Each major kill he did lost him another piece of his soul until the end when he finally put on the armour of the Damned and merged with the Lich King. All Frostmourne did was give his already cruel and sadistic side free reign; he wasn't a hero he was pathetic.
Didn't he kill Uther more or less right after his father?
And, again, even after putting on the armor we find out he still had his soul from the Wrath ending.
Post by
Skreeran
Didn't he kill Uther more or less right after his father?
And, again, even after putting on the armor we find out he still had his soul from the Wrath ending.Nah, remember, he killed Uther to get the urn Terenas' ashes were being transported in, so there was at least time for him to be cremated.
Post by
Atik
Didn't he kill Uther more or less right after his father?
And, again, even after putting on the armor we find out he still had his soul from the Wrath ending.Nah, remember, he killed Uther to get the urn Terenas' ashes were being transported in, so there was at least time for him to be cremated.
Yeah, but that was still before assaulting Silvermoon (Which is where I was correcting Adams' order of events.)
Post by
Adamsm
Eh, was still the point in showing that he hadn't lost his soul yet. The simple fact is that Arthas before Wrath was a good villain...because the Hand met up with the Head and we had one Lich King....in Wrath? Pathetic, pathetic pathetic! All Arthas was a little megalomaniac with Daddy issues, horse issues, self-control issues, relationship issues etc etc etc: The whole reason the Infinites went after Stratholme? Because they knew if they left Arthas alive, Lordareon still would have fallen to the Scourge and even better, the Night Elves and Orcs would have just wiped each other out, leaving no Thrall to stop Murzond in the Future.
Post by
Lordplatypus
If you weren't a zealot you'd notice that Sylvannas did the same for them in Silverpine, she had them by the throat, she was winning (Liberation forces on the north? wiped out. Worgens on Fenris island? wiped out. Druids to the west? wiped out. Mage town? wiped out. Forces in the burned down village? wiped out. Dwarven Commander and his forces? Wiped out). She forced them to surrender, and if she had wanted to, she could had finished them off. Instead she let them go.
Go ahead and deny that she let them go, prove my point to the rest of the forums and tell me, that she killed them all. Go on, I'm waiting.
Seriously? Darius had slyvannas at his mercy, You never really remembered did you? Slyvannas was getting her ass kicked and kidnapped Darius's kid and wimped out of it. He had to surrender or his daughter DIES. How do you call that morally superior? Slyvannas basically held his kid hostage while she was at death's door.
Actually if they hadn't spared them, all of azeroth would had died. The horde was just as crucial as the alliance during the third war to defend azeroth from the legion. All things happen for a reason.
Really? If it wasn't the orcs killing alliance troops, the burning legion would have fell much faster.
Post by
Adamsm
If it wasn't the orcs killing alliance troops, the burning legion would have fell much faster.
No, they really wouldn't have; without the Orcs in addition to the Grand Alliance and the Night Elves, the Legion would have eradicated the entire planet during the Third War.
Post by
Lordplatypus
If it wasn't the orcs killing alliance troops, the burning legion would have fell much faster.
No, they really wouldn't have; without the Orcs in addition to the Grand Alliance and the Night Elves, the Legion would have eradicated the entire planet during the Third War.
Can we ever know? Just how many troops from the alliance died because of the horde?
Post by
Adamsm
Can we ever know? Just how many troops from the alliance died because of the horde?
Just as many Orcs and Trolls who died to the Night Elves coming out of nowhere and hitting them without saying a word.....and then did the same to the Grand Alliance.
See, what you don't seem to realize: The Grand Alliance never fought the Orcish Horde in the Third War; Thrall took off before it even begin, and Arthas went up against Blackrock Orcs before the onslaught of the Scourge began. And then of course, it turns out that the Kul Tirans had landed on the Shatterspear Island and started attacking them, driving the trolls into the Murlocs and Sea Witch, as well as attacking the ship wrecked Orcs. Then of course, Admiral Proudmoore showed up and attacked Thrall's Horde because he couldn't let go of the past when his son was killed by Dragonmaw and Blackrocks; not Frost Wolves and Warsong, and certainly not Shatterspear forces.
So really: The Horde is no more the bad guys then the Alliance is.
But there is the fact that Garithos, whether he had a 'good reason' to or not, attempted to finish killing off the Blood Elves as he sent Kael and his people on more and more suicide missions; Garithos earned his death, but sadly it was at Sylvanas' hands instead of Kael's who should have been the one to kill that racist son of a @#$%^.
You know what, we can even break it down if you'd like.
Thrall's Horde in regards to the Humans and the Alliance:
Orcs: The complete and utter horrific upbringing Thrall had at the hands of Blackmoore, and what his people went through in the internment camps and the gladiator arenas, treated as slaves and killed for the viewing pleasure of the humans in Durnholde. Orgrim Doomhammer killed by a sneak attack from the back. Thrall and his people were driven out by the humans at the start of Warcraft 3, shortly after he received his warning from the prophet. Then of course, what happened with Kul Tiras. And all that 'fun' stuff during the time period of WoW and the Cataclysm.
Trolls: Darkspear nearly wiped out by Kul Tiras and that Sea Witch.
Tauren: The massacre at Camp Taurjo.
Forsaken: Killed by Arthas, raised up to be his personal slaves, got lucky and broke free...then nearly killed by their family members when they went home. Sylvanas' story speaks for herself.
Blood Elves: Kingdom devastated by the Scourge led by the Prince(then King) of Lordaeron. Garithos attempted to finish off what Arthas started.
Bilgewater: While it's true they were going to be sold by their Trade Prince, an Alliance war ship still sunk the slave ship they were on, nearly killing them all. Then of course, all that 'fun' they had on Lost Isle where they were forced into a war with the Alliance as they tried to kill them all to keep the secret assault on Thrall quiet. And after that, nothing like Night Elves pushing into their new homelands and attempting again to wipe them all out.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Look, this is the one thing i never change my mind on.
The entire horde should be put to the sword as soon as possible.
Humans: Had their kingdoms razed by the horde, who pretend it never happened, Their king sold off as a gladiator under the name Lo'Gosh, Constant attempts by the forsaken to take over their land. Warsong acting as whats basically the Taliban or Al'Queda
Dwarves. Forced further underground by the horde, had horde-backed dragonmaw invade their lands in the "Twilight Highlands" Had their land invaded by the frostwolf who basically squat on it.
Gnomes. Gnomes don't really have much plot at all relating to outside factions
Night Elves: Had one of their pretty little ancients killed, their precious trees cut down, various other minor overeactions and ofcourse are being INVADED.
Draenei, Basically having all their stuff stolen by the blood elves, one of their gods enslaved and basically used as fuel source, their people take the jew's role in the holocaust with the orcs.
Worgen: Again, invaded, leader's kid captured, betrayyed by a undead godfrey.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Everyone has something they can't be swayed on, Just take a look at everyone defending slyvannas.
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