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Blizzard on Crimson Deathcharger Duping
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Problimatic
I don't understand how someone can "dupe" an item.
Goldsellers don't tend to follow rules involving exploits. There has been some sort of hack/exploit allowing duping of certain items, that has become fairly obvious. I know on my realm the biggest things duped were deatchargers and epic gems. Hopefully Blizz takes care of this soon.
No sorry I disagree.
I think its a case of Shadowmourne being so much easier to obtain now.
One of my closest friends has 98 Crimson Deathchargers in his personal 7th guild bank tab. He paid 500k to receive all of them from one buyer. If they're not being duped, then someone has an extreme infatuation with collecting multiples of them and selling them for a little over 5k each.
I hope your friend enjoys his eventual ban.
Maybe you should submit this information to Blizzard and help stop this then, I'm going off of what I've seen and being told by official sources.
He wasn't the one who duped them, he won't get banned. Buying items for low and selling them for high isn't an illegal practive. Otherwise you wouldn't be allowed to buy the severely undercut herbs and ore that bots farm and turn a profit. Its obvious that certain items have been duped, though for obvious reasons Blizzard won't openly say that. If they say there is currently an exploit that allows for the duplication of items and they can't stop it yet, all that does is encourage more people to research how, and further screw up the server economies. Once they eventually stop the problem, I'm sure they will have one of their great "Blizzard ban wave" posts.
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Post by
Azrile
Be very careful with posts like the OP. One of the things the goldsellers must do is convince players that they won´t be caught and won´t be banned if they are caught.
All the people who read this thread and are now thinking ´ oh, that GM said it is legal to buy stuff, even if we are pretty sure it is duped´.. are very similar to the people who read that email saying they won a beta invite, or their ´account is already under review for trying to sell it´.
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Post by
hymer
@ Ent: Oh, go on! They
so
are! But I think you're right about Sold, there was always something shifty about him. It's the close eyebrows.
Post by
Problimatic
@Entropy
GMs aren't particularly knowledgable, especially on things like the inner workings of the game. There are screenshots of when the rag mount was dropping 100% on normal instead of the 1%, and GMs were simply saying working as intended, go farm it before MoP. When it comes to specific exploitation, they have virtually no knowledge other than their "Reassure the playerbase that nothing is going wrong and Blizzard has full control of everything" speech. If you look at places like the undermine journal and actually watch certain items multiplying in quantity available in short periods of time, you can actually make a reasonable decision on whether or not duping is a real problem (Which it is.)
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Problimatic
@Entropy
GMs aren't particularly knowledgable, especially on things like the inner workings of the game. There are screenshots of when the rag mount was dropping 100% on normal instead of the 1%, and GMs were simply saying working as intended, go farm it before MoP. When it comes to specific exploitation, they have virtually no knowledge other than their "Reassure the playerbase that nothing is going wrong and Blizzard has full control of everything" speech. If you look at places like the undermine journal and actually watch certain items multiplying in quantity available in short periods of time, you can actually make a reasonable decision on whether or not duping is a real problem (Which it is.)
I'm aware of that, at the end of the day they are just guys doing a job, maybe being fed the same crap by upper management that most of us are fed at some point.
Now if stuff is being duplicated, and sold then the matter is in hand.
I have shown its possible to get two conflicting "facts" from GMs.
Everything might be fine as they say, or it could be a problem, but they do have access to the same data as you or I do.
Even more accurate data, and I'm sure systems in place to detect such activity. (Player accounts are frozen all the time due to suspicious activity.)
And people have been banned for it. They finally got rid of one of the deathcharger dealers on my server, but its still going on tbh.
Best thing to do is report if you are suspicious
Post by
spankinator
um no the mount did not drop for everyone, there is ONE in the tribute box from the shadowmourne legendary, hence them being sold for 100k ish at the start, SM became easier to get and they dropped to like 75k ish, the 10-20 k mounts ARE duped
Post by
spankinator
I don't understand how someone can "dupe" an item.
Goldsellers don't tend to follow rules involving exploits. There has been some sort of hack/exploit allowing duping of certain items, that has become fairly obvious. I know on my realm the biggest things duped were deatchargers and epic gems. Hopefully Blizz takes care of this soon.
No sorry I disagree.
I think its a case of Shadowmourne being so much easier to obtain now.
Don't forget this is not something with a low droprate, this is something everyone in the raid would get when the LK is downed with a party member using Shadowmourne,
**Edit**
And personally I don't think the mount looks that special, If I weren't a mount collector I could easily see myself taking an easy 30k+ for it instead.
um no the shadowmourne tribute box drops ONE mount, not 1 for the whole raid, hence these being sold at the start for 100k and up, SM became easier to get at 85 so the price dropped to 75kish, the 10k mounts are duped!, the time invested in getting one legit prevents this
Post by
Interest
I don't understand how someone can "dupe" an item.
It's a "bug" that's been around for awhile. People were doing it with the Sands of Time. I heard it was resolved, but apparently it's back or wasn't resolved. ALSO, Vial of the Sands is crashing as well by huge amounts.<snip>
It's not surprising a GM would respond in that manner. Whether he/she actually knows or not is irrelevant because saying there's a duping bug going around could potentially be problematic in itself.
He wasn't the one who duped them, he won't get banned. Buying items for low and selling them for high isn't an illegal practive. Otherwise you wouldn't be allowed to buy the severely undercut herbs and ore that bots farm and turn a profit. Its obvious that certain items have been duped, though for obvious reasons Blizzard won't openly say that. If they say there is currently an exploit that allows for the duplication of items and they can't stop it yet, all that does is encourage more people to research how, and further screw up the server economies. Once they eventually stop the problem, I'm sure they will have one of their great "Blizzard ban wave" posts.
True in a way, but consider that he purchased them all from one seller. He could still be banned purely because, quite frankly, he should've used his common sense and been suspicious that a single person would sell so many of a rare item for so little. Pretty much, it sometimes really is too good to be true.
Post by
TheReal
One of my closest friends has 98 Crimson Deathchargers in his personal 7th guild bank tab.
I have to wonder if this is anecdotal, plain BS or if TheRealArkayn has actually seen this. but surely even the most basic detection system, if duping were a real thing, would have picked this up and just nuked his friend off the server.
I was going to get you a screenshot but I'm now locked out of the 7th tab along with everyone else. I personally wouldn't believe me either without a screenshot. I can get you a screenshot of almost 20 stacks of Sands of Time though:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1118648/sands.jpg
. Yes, they're duped.
And to the poster who really thought I should turn in my close friend because close friendships are less important than WoW server economies: way to have your priorities in line.
Post by
Problimatic
True in a way, but consider that he purchased them all from one seller. He could still be banned purely because, quite frankly, he should've used his common sense and been suspicious that a single person would sell so many of a rare item for so little. Pretty much, it sometimes really is too good to be true.
Well honestly its same in the sense with obviously botted herbs. Some random guy selling 200 stacks of herbs at 50% of the ah price on a character named jhakdsjlfhj, is fairly suspicious. Although, simply not buying them isn't going to make them go away. SOMEONE is going to buy them. You may as well buy them at a low price and sell them for higher.
Post by
skumbananer
Well honestly its same in the sense with obviously botted herbs. Some random guy selling 200 stacks of herbs at 50% of the ah price on a character named jhakdsjlfhj, is fairly suspicious. Although, simply not buying them isn't going to make them go away. SOMEONE is going to buy them. You may as well buy them at a low price and sell them for higher.
Ouch...my characters have fairly random names, (atleast for a English speaker) they will appear as total gibberish..."brödrostrost", "brödrostbank", "grönmögelost". I usually list my stuff (herbs, ores, skins, pots, elexirs, random drops) at way below standard price, just to sell, so i dont have to relist.
I am not fond of ah-trading so i save up stuff util my bank(s) are about to burst, then sell off in massive bulk.
I hope i wont get banned for "obvious" botting :(
Post by
Izichial
As long as you don't do anything wrong you should be fine. Absolute worst case scenario you trip some alarm in the system and your account gets automatically locked and you have to get in touch with Blizzard to get it unlocked again but as far as I know that sort of thing is very rare and is probably more likely to be triggered by moving very large amounts of gold rather than undercutting the AH.
Post by
Problimatic
Well honestly its same in the sense with obviously botted herbs. Some random guy selling 200 stacks of herbs at 50% of the ah price on a character named jhakdsjlfhj, is fairly suspicious. Although, simply not buying them isn't going to make them go away. SOMEONE is going to buy them. You may as well buy them at a low price and sell them for higher.
Ouch...my characters have fairly random names, (atleast for a English speaker) they will appear as total gibberish..."brödrostrost", "brödrostbank", "grönmögelost". I usually list my stuff (herbs, ores, skins, pots, elexirs, random drops) at way below standard price, just to sell, so i dont have to relist.
I am not fond of ah-trading so i save up stuff util my bank(s) are about to burst, then sell off in massive bulk.
I hope i wont get banned for "obvious" botting :(
Any quick use of google translate will show that you like naming characters after swedish toasters, not slamming your face on the keyboard. Also: If you actually want to make money off the herbs, selling them in bulk for half the ah price isn't the way to do it. Also I'm assuming that at least some people on your server know you, and you aren't simply some random guy with a random name showing up with a metric ton of cheap herbs, never to be seen or heard of again.
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Post by
ElhonnaDS
In civil court, if you buy property that turns out to be stolen, but had no way of knowing that at the time of purchase, then (in some jurisdictions, anyway) they can't force you to return the property and be out the money. But, you have to establish that the purchase was made in good faith, and you don't have to have direct knowledge that it is definitely stolen for you to not meet the criteria of good faith. If you paid a very small fraction of what it was worth, or bought it under unusual circumstances (buying jewelry from a guy in a parking lot, for example), then even if you have no direct knowledge of it being stolen, the law makes the assumption that it was not a good faith purchase because you should have known that there was something wrong. You wouldn't be charged criminally, but you would be ordered to turn over the property without compensation.
In this case, though not bound by legal statues (they can ban anyone they like), I think the same common sense should be applied. If someone gets a good deal on ONE deathcharger, and uses it, or on a couple of them off the AH from different sellers, planning on reselling them later, then they can claim they made a good faith purchase. If someone bought hundreds from a single person, at a ridiculously low value, it's clearly not a legitimate transaction. I don't think your friend needs to be proven to have specific knowledge of them being duped to be banned- the price and quantity he got for that price will be enough.
I once had someone who I only knew in passing try to "give" me 20,000 gold. When I said I would feel bad taking his gold, he got really insistent, like he needed me to take it. Needless to say, I didn't. I found out like 2 days later he'd been trading gold with a real life friend, and had, like, reached over and hit a bunch of extra numbers on his friend's computer, hit trade real quick, and then logged his own out so the friend couldn't take it back. He had been trying to give it to me because he didn't want to be forced to return it. I didn't know that something specific had been done wrong when he offered it to me, but I'm glad I didn't take it. When something like that happens, even if you don't know what exactly happened, you almost always know that SOMETHING shady happened. I think your friend will at the very least have all of those mounts removed and be out the gold, and considering the circumstances I think he should be.
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