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Resurrecting the heirloom shield topic
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Post by
ElhonnaDS
Also, just wanted to point this out:
But yeah, aside from all that, I eagerly anticipate the day when I'll be able to wear heirlooms in every single slot LIKE A BOSS.
But you said it yourself- you want heirlooms in every single slot. No, Magician compared Heirloom shields to Heirloom gloves and bracers, and I pointed out that the comparison was invalid, but added that gloves and bracers would be cool too.
Why do you lie to us when the proof is on the page? It makes having a mature discussion much harder.
Post by
Sas148
Just a warning: This thread will be locked if the participants are incapable of debating their points with one another while avoiding direct insults, snide remarks and overly sarcastic statements. Make your points, trim the fat around your actual point and make sure you're respecting each other.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##sas148##DELIM##
Post by
yukonjack
I think we have enough heirlooms in the game now, anymore would be overkill.
Post by
Adamsm
I think we have enough heirlooms in the game now, anymore would be overkill.
Pants are coming next expansion; as in, MoP lol.
Post by
161859
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Post by
Adamsm
Personally, I think they should get rid of heirlooms, and let you get a +%xp tabard/shirt/something. There is really no reason to have everyone in basically "god mode" while leveling and obsoleting gear updrades.
Just my opinion.
Well that's the thing; most leveling upgrades are gone 10 minutes later for 1-80. I like heirlooms for the fact that I don't have to 'worry' that much about what I'm wearing while leveling and can just enjoy the content as I go.
Post by
Eccentrica
Going to jump in here once more with a little perspective.
About 2 months ago I decided what I really needed was a third Paladin (don't ask). I have heirlooom Helm, Shoulders, Chest, and Back. I didn't purchase a weapon, and I don't have the ring. I did have the guild perk.
I did not dungeon, I did not group, I did not RaF or SoR. Nor did I mine, herb or engage in Archaeology. I quested; pure and simple questing all the way from 1 to 85. I did not use my alts to craft gear and I did not surf the AH, I equipped quest rewards and any usuable upgrades I looted.
It was not difficult. It was not arduous. It was mind meltingly simple and took me a grand total of 2 days 21 hours and 15 minutes played.
I don't understand what all the hoopla is about, and I see no need whatsoever to add an Heirloom shield.
Post by
160546
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Post by
Adamsm
There are actually a lot of shields out there; just you have to run dungeons to get them, rather then depending on quests to 'hand' them over to you.
Post by
Tenjen
and its already been stated that if you just quest, you dont really need a great shield or replace it that often.
on my pally i did well just with the sheilds from dungeons.
Post by
BlackMonarch
You do have a piss poor attitude
That's what happens when people insult me without having any basis for doing so.
so I'm not surprised you don't play well with others.
Actually, I do. I'm just saying that not everyone does.
What does realm population have to do with anythng? Dungeon finder is cross realm, you could be the only on on your realm and still find a dungeon instantly by queueing as a tank.
Really? Cool.
Sorry but it does seem like you want something just because you can't be bothered to make an effort.
And you still seem to be ignoring literally everything that I said.
So I guess that bears several questions:
1) If a normal shield is so unbelievably easy to get, why are you rolling around with a shield from 20 levels ago in the first place? Are you role-playing someone who is protesting the corporate enslavement of Azeroth by refusing to use the AH?
Maybe. What difference does it make?
2) What do dead realms have to do with cross-realm LFG?
Apparently, nothing.
3) How bad are you at Whack-a-Gnoll that you consider one week's worth of Darkmoon dailies plus a couple of turn-ins significant effort?
When I do it on eleven different characters? It's quite a lot. Grinding for 2,750 grisly trophies was probably the most soul-crushing part of the experience.
Also, the bane of my existence has always been Tonk Commander, not Whack-a-Gnoll.
4) Are you generally snide to people when in perfectly good spirits, then?
Yup.
That might be the key to your "plays well with others" problem.
I have no such problem. My guildies quite like me.
If you are leveling entirely through questing (which is perfectly valid), then you don't NEED a level-appropriate shield all the time. Since the removal of block value, shields are no different in terms of functionality than any other armor piece, other than having one at all allows you to block. Upgrading a shield slot is exactly the same as any other slot. And questing is so easy you don't need great items to do it in.
Ugh, it's the "you don't
need
it, so why do you
want
it?" argument. Fail.
Here's a shocker: sometimes, people want things that they don't strictly need. That's why we have different words for "want" and "need".
Also, just wanted to point this out:
But yeah, aside from all that, I eagerly anticipate the day when I'll be able to wear heirlooms in every single slot LIKE A BOSS.
But you said it yourself- you want heirlooms in every single slot. No, Magician compared Heirloom shields to Heirloom gloves and bracers, and I pointed out that the comparison was invalid, but added that gloves and bracers would be cool too.
Why do you lie to us when the proof is on the page? It makes having a mature discussion much harder.
I never lied, and you have presented proof of nothing.
Personally, I think they should get rid of heirlooms, and let you get a +%xp tabard/shirt/something. There is really no reason to have everyone in basically "god mode" while leveling and obsoleting gear updrades.
Just my opinion.
God Mode?
Which heirloom gives you God Mode? How do I get it?
Going to jump in here once more with a little perspective.
About 2 months ago I decided what I really needed was a third Paladin (don't ask). I have heirlooom Helm, Shoulders, Chest, and Back. I didn't purchase a weapon, and I don't have the ring. I did have the guild perk.
I did not dungeon, I did not group, I did not RaF or SoR. Nor did I mine, herb or engage in Archaeology. I quested; pure and simple questing all the way from 1 to 85. I did not use my alts to craft gear and I did not surf the AH, I equipped quest rewards and any usuable upgrades I looted.
It was not difficult. It was not arduous. It was mind meltingly simple and took me a grand total of 2 days 21 hours and 15 minutes played.
But
were you carrying an ugly-ass wooden shield
, or a shield
twenty levels below literally everything else you were carrying
, for most of that time?
I see no need whatsoever to add an Heirloom shieldWell, the OP says it because there are not very many shields to begin with. I think this is a valid point.
I prefer no heirlooms (and more group quests, but I digress), but while we have them and are certainly not getting rid of them, let's at least make an heirloom for a slot that you barely have any pieces for.
This brings me to something else that I wanted to mention:
I would gladly give up heirloom cloaks, helms, shoulders, AND chest pieces to get heirloom off-hands.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##sas148##DELIM##Putting snide remarks in \ tags doesn't make it okay, if you feel it needs that then you're better off removing the text entirely.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
We have to play nice now- Sas148 said so.
Post by
BlackMonarch
We have to play nice now- Sas148 said so.
Indeed. I just edited that post to strike out some of the funnier bits.
Post by
331902
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Post by
Azrile
Personally, I think they should get rid of heirlooms, and let you get a +%xp tabard/shirt/something. There is really no reason to have everyone in basically "god mode" while leveling and obsoleting gear updrades.
Just my opinion.
I think they should do the opposite haha. get rid of the exp bonus, but allow the items to level up with us.
Post by
Eccentrica
Going to jump in here once more with a little perspective.
About 2 months ago I decided what I really needed was a third Paladin (don't ask). I have heirlooom Helm, Shoulders, Chest, and Back. I didn't purchase a weapon, and I don't have the ring. I did have the guild perk.
I did not dungeon, I did not group, I did not RaF or SoR. Nor did I mine, herb or engage in Archaeology. I quested; pure and simple questing all the way from 1 to 85. I did not use my alts to craft gear and I did not surf the AH, I equipped quest rewards and any usuable upgrades I looted.
It was not difficult. It was not arduous. It was mind meltingly simple and took me a grand total of 2 days 21 hours and 15 minutes played.
But
were you carrying an ugly-ass wooden shield
, or a shield
twenty levels below literally everything else you were carrying
, for most of that time?
I really didn't care what anything looked like. I was levelling. Things died quickly. I might have died twice on the road from 1-85 and likely from lack of attention to a pull or some such other stupidity.
However.....
I did a search of
shields
to present, so as to debunk arguments about lack of shields, and was rather surprised at my findings. If you do the Dwarf/Gnome levelling path (ie, levelling in Eastern Kingdoms only) there are no shield rewards in Arathi, Hinterlands, Searing Gorge, or Blasted Lands so there are some rather large gaps in reliable availabilty.
Further, the majority of reward shields carry Int, and the ilevel order of rewards is skewed, for example the shield you can get in Swamp of Sorrows is inferior in armor to the shield you get in Badlands (and it carries Spirit, but itemization is another pit of bees altogether).
All in all, it's a mixed up mess and should at some point be examined and fixed.
I hold to my opinion though that an Heirloom shield is unneccesary (4 would be required afterall - tanking, healing, ranged, melee), the darned quest rewards just need to be fixed.
Post by
moocow
There should be heirloom off-hands because there are heirloom two-hands. A 2h has the same stat budget as 1h+oh, meaning that currently 2h > 1h+oh when they should be equal (I, for one, prefer the graphics of 1h+oh on my casters, but I can't have that and heirlooms without being inferior). Not a big deal, sure, but why have it be imbalanced at all when it doesn't have to? Why are you so supportive of the status quo? Why are you talking about necessity in a
video game
?
Post by
Eccentrica
Like many, many others, this is not so much a game to me as it is a hobby.
Forgive us if we take something seriously after spending thousands of hours on it.
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193475
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