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392412
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Post by
Magician22773
Hell, so far the woman that was abused has received over $500,000 in donations. I would like to see her buy a couple of the houses the kids live in, then evict their asses on Christmas Eve. :-)
He who laughs (with a half a million dollars), laughs hardest.
Post by
Atik
I'm with MyTie on the 'lawful evil' call ^_^
It's not evil if they deserved it. Actions are neutral, it's who the actions were done to and why that makes it a good or evil action.
I have to disagree.
People are just people. There is no difference between the kid or the woman in this news story.
Their action, whether morally right ot wrong, is what sets them apart.
Post by
588688
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Post by
MyTie
Kids are usually quite gentle and innocent unless they are taught impatience and hostility. Kids need to have those voids of morality filled, and truly, the ARE filled, like it or not, at a very early age. Teach a child the ways of the Lord and he will not depart from them in his old age. I forget where exactly that is from, but it's in Proverbs.
These kids, they need discipline, and direction. They need tough love, but not violence or hate.
Post by
Rankkor
I'm with MyTie on the 'lawful evil' call ^_^
It's not evil if they deserved it. Actions are neutral, it's who the actions were done to and why that makes it a good or evil action.
o_O for the first time in AGES we actually agree with something?
/short-circuit.
They need tough love, but not violence or hate.
Agree on the though love (they really need some discipline) and agree that actually physically harming them is not the right answer. But on the hate part........... as I said, reap what you sow.
If they don't want to be hated, how about treating others more nicely?
Post by
MyTie
I'm with MyTie on the 'lawful evil' call ^_^
It's not evil if they deserved it. Actions are neutral, it's who the actions were done to and why that makes it a good or evil action.
o_O for the first time in AGES we actually agree with something?
Think rankkorr. You take a radical position.
Sold agrees on it
. Sold. Think. Perhaps you should reconsider said position. In case it weren't obvious, allow me to repeat it for you:Paying evil onto evil isn't evil.
Post by
Rankkor
I'm with MyTie on the 'lawful evil' call ^_^
It's not evil if they deserved it. Actions are neutral, it's who the actions were done to and why that makes it a good or evil action.
o_O for the first time in AGES we actually agree with something?
Think rankkorr. You take a radical position.
Sold agrees on it
. Sold. Think. Perhaps you should reconsider said position. In case it weren't obvious, allow me to repeat it for you:Paying evil onto evil isn't evil.
Hey, for the record, I fully recognize that paying evil onto evil isn't something nice to do, it shouldn't even be encouraged, but the only reason I recognize that, is because my wife is a very strict pacifist, and her good habits are rubbing on me (thank god for that).
I'd like to believe that we could live in a world where retribution of such a scale wasn't needed, but years of turmoil over here have cranked up my cynicism up to eleven. I don't "fully" agree with sold though. Punching a kid is NEVER the solution. Introduce a child to violence, and getting said child out of violence is gonna take FOREVER.
I'm a proof of that. My parents did a damn good job raising me and my little brother, but I was an idiot, and refused to pay heed to their kind words, to their wisdom, instead choosing to hang with the wrong crowd. Before I knew it, violence was the only way I solved my problems, and that landed me in Sabaneta, a place that can only be described as the ninth circle of hell.
I'm trying to change for the better (and thanks to my wife I'm actually doing it) but its not gonna happen overnight.
This is why I wont pass my belief of "pay evil onto evil" to my kids. While I still think its the only way things work out, I wanna believe that Reina's way (She's my wife BTW) is better.
her way is the one you described. She's a truly devoted christian who believes in turning the other cheek and all that stuff. I honestly wanna believe that stuff can work, but I don't know if I'll ever honestly embrace that belief.
one can hope though.
Post by
FatalHeaven
The only thing I can say is the age old saying, "Two wrongs don't make a right." They might make the victim feel better but it doesn't make revenge 'right.'
Post by
Rankkor
The only thing I can say is the age old saying, "Two wrongs don't make a right." They might make the victim feel better but it doesn't make revenge 'right.'
this isn't (and should never be) about YOU feeling better. This is about THE CULPRIT feeling bad about his actions.
Whoever takes up revenge to sate their own needs is no better than the thugs he's harming.
Post by
Magician22773
I would have loved to see some other kid on the bus just knock the socks off the kids while they were in the act. But I agree, now is not the time for such a radical approach. What the kids need now is punishment, and it needs to be harsh to be effective.
Sadly, as an article I read mentioned, they really did not break any law. Being a little $!&* isn't against the law..., so the punishment is now left up to the parents, and the school.
My guess is, with behavior this bad, that the parents are probably not much better than the kids, so I doubt they are going to have much to worry about there. I do think the school should set an example, and expel them for a full school year. And I would never allow them back on a bus again. Let the parents find a way to transport them.
Post by
FatalHeaven
The only thing I can say is the age old saying, "Two wrongs don't make a right." They might make the victim feel better but it doesn't make revenge 'right.'
this isn't (and should never be) about YOU feeling better. This is about THE CULPRIT feeling bad about his actions.
Whoever takes up revenge to sate their own needs is no better than the thugs he's harming.
Kind of my point.... I am against exacting revenge. Sorry if that was unclear.
Post by
Ksero
The kid got what he deserves, if nothing happens to him, or he gets a slap on the wrist by the school, he will continue to bully people. Do you think he's ever gonna try that again, seeing what it brought onto himself?
Post by
Adamsm
For the actual title: Considering the way we see the Atheist/Religious types gang up on each other, I'd say that's a big 10-4.
Post by
MyTie
Don't make this anti pro religious, Adamsm. It's enough as it is already.
I think the problem has to do with society as a whole. The way kids are raised. They are put on a bus by their parents, go to school, and the school raises them. But schools, they don't teach respect or morality. Without that part, kids don't do a very good job learning the factual school stuff either. We end up with stuff like this. My kids wouldn't do this. I know that all parents say that, but I know they wouldn't. Wanna know why my kids are different? Because I talk to the teachers. I show up at school sometimes unexpected. I talk to their friends parents before they go out and do anything. I know the bus driver by name, and what he does besides bus driving (he sculpts life sized horse statues and makes ice cream). I'm involved. My kids have done wrong before, but unlike other parents, I quickly found out about it and became involved in punishment. If the teacher gives my kid a bad grade, my kid gets in trouble, not the teacher. I hold my kids responsible, and I am ever present in all aspects of their lives. My kids wouldn't do this kind of thing because my kids "can do no wrong". My kids wouldn't do this kind of thing because they know they understand consequences, and have learned to treat people kindly. My daughter talks to me when she sees kids bullied at school. We have frank and open talks. I know the other kids at her school. I know it might be intrusive and embarrassing, but I don't care. Kids are not meant to raise themselves in privacy. That's not how parenting works.
Post by
Adamsm
Don't make this anti pro religious, Adamsm. It's enough as it is already.Wasn't going for that MyTie; it was an actual answer to the thread name itself.
Post by
Rankkor
The kid got what he deserves, if nothing happens to him, or he gets a slap on the wrist by the school, he will continue to bully people. Do you think he's ever gonna try that again, seeing what it brought onto himself?
my point exactly.
He tasted the bitterness of hatred firsthand, and most importantly he learned the hard way that actions have consequences.
No lesson is better learned nor more permanent, than one taught through pain.
I'd be willing to bet my life's savings he will reconsider treating others like dirt again after he saw what it feels like.
I think the problem has to do with society as a whole. The way kids are raised. They are put on a bus by their parents, go to school, and the school raises them. But schools, they don't teach respect or morality. Without that part, kids don't do a very good job learning the factual school stuff either. We end up with stuff like this.
My kids wouldn't do this. I know that all parents say that, but I know they wouldn't. Wanna know why my kids are different? Because I talk to the teachers. I show up at school sometimes unexpected. I talk to their friends parents before they go out and do anything. I know the bus driver by name, and what he does besides bus driving (he sculpts life sized horse statues and makes ice cream). I'm involved.
My kids have done wrong before, but unlike other parents, I quickly found out about it and became involved in punishment. If the teacher gives my kid a bad grade, my kid gets in trouble, not the teacher. I hold my kids responsible, and I am ever present in all aspects of their lives. My kids wouldn't do this kind of thing because my kids "can do no wrong".
My kids wouldn't do this kind of thing because they know they understand consequences, and have learned to treat people kindly. My daughter talks to me when she sees kids bullied at school. We have frank and open talks. I know the other kids at her school. I know it might be intrusive and embarrassing, but I don't care. Kids are not meant to raise themselves in privacy. That's not how parenting works.
Bravo.
although you could had spaced it better to make it easier to read, (And I edited it to make it easier to read) I agree 100% with this. Lots of parents just love to let others raise their kids, then act all surprised with "lol-what" when they turn out to be monsters. Don't let TV or someone else do the raising. Teach your kids values and ENFORCE those values from an early age, and you will prevent this stuff from happening in the first place.
Then again, my response for the kids who are already rotten.................. well, I illustrated it enough for today.
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557473
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Post by
gamerunknown
To quote another person from another forum:
A man was arrested for getting into a protracted shootout with police on a dense residential street, and another was arrested for raping a nine-month-old baby.
From the same general area in New York. Each of those people have received fewer threats than the children in the video.
Post by
OverZealous
To quote another person from another forum:
A man was arrested for getting into a protracted shootout with police on a dense residential street, and another was arrested for raping a nine-month-old baby.
From the same general area in New York. Each of those people have received fewer threats than the children in the video.
That's how it's always been with the internet, though - some bad things receive insane exposure while other equally horrible events receive almost none. It's pretty sad.
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