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Post by
Candlekeeper
I do understand that blizzard can't invite everyone at the same time and I think most AP holders know that aswell
I know what a beta is and that some AP holders will still be dissapointed when they get in.
But blizzard only made a promise that they would get in, not specific content.
When on the contract it says "and beta access will go live with the beta launch"
Most people take it as they will be able to login to the beta when the servers open.
Blizzard didn't keep its promise and I think alot of AP holders felt like they where tricked.
You who didn't sign up for AP might right now be annoyed by all the "QQ" from AP holders.
But where are AP holders supposed to turn when the community and blizzard is against them?
They feel even more left out, now both from the community and beta, this dsn't help them at all.
So when you see a post about AP holders not getting in to beta, even if they are QQing, there is a reason why.
Sources:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ovVAdoycwcM
( Morhaime )
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9147168/WoW/MoPBetaSplash_thumb.png
( Contract information )
This is the old post, for reply reference
Alright, so this is not about me not getting in to beta yet, even though I signed up for the AP contract.
This is to get you who are defending blizzard and who didn't sign up for AP another point of view.
You are annoyed by all these posts about not getting an beta invite and you think that everyone is a qq'r.
Thats not how we feel, thats not how we see it.
I believe that many who signed up for AP feel that they have been left out or that blizzard tricked them.
It's very common that people try to trick others on the internet and I think many have experienced it, thats not fun is it?
I think it is understandeble that people turn to the forums, because to who else are they going to explain how they feel?
But when you respond with "you should have read the contract" "be patient" "stop QQing"
That is just provoking for us. That dsn't help us, we already signed up for it because we thought it was a nice deal, which it was.
So? What happend, I think most of us know that, but lets look at it again.
1. Michael Morhaime, President of Blizzard Entertainment announces Annual Pass at blizzcon and uses the sentence
"You will also get, guaranteed access in to the next World of Warcraft expansion when it goes live."
2. On the information page about the Annual Pass it is stated
"and beta access will go live with the beta launch"
3. Beta is released and a very small group of people, mostly "press" such as known WoW associated youtubers get invites to a very limited beta version.
4. People who signed up for AP ment that they had been tricked.
5. Blizzard changes their AP terms.
6. Now even more people think that they have been tricked.
7. Blizzard is dead silent and dsn't tell us anything about wave dates or anything.
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Now, something that has been a big topic around this is whether or not you where actually guaranteed beta access instantly.
We got three sentences here.
First, Michael Morhaime who said "You will also get, guaranteed access in to the next World of Warcraft expansion when it goes live."
Second, The information page "and beta access will go live with the beta launch"
Third, "You'll get guaranteed access when beta goes live."
The first and the third can mean two different things
People who signed up for AP means that
you are guaranteed to get your beta invite when beta goes live
While others argue that
when beta goes live you are guaranteed to get a beta invite, sometime during the beta.
The first one, is correct.
Why? Because it says
Guaranteed when beta goes live
It dsn't say
When beta goes live you are guaranteed
But none of that matters, because of the second one, the one that where in the contract, it clearly states
you are guaranteed to get your beta invite when beta goes live
which simplyfied would translate to
"access will be granted when we announce that beta has been launched"
This was a mistake of blizzard, they don't have to admit it, It's okay, everyone makes mistakes
But it would make alot of people happier with blizzard if they did admit it and told us when they can get out beta to most people.
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So why haven't we seen any statement by blizzard regarding this? If what you say is right and they where wrong, why are they just letting people make new threads?
I think that blizzards strategy now is to get out as many invites as possible while also getting more content ready for the beta so that when everyone is invited, we will forget about their mistake and be happy with that we finally got in to beta and can level trough MoP ( and make bug reports if they would include that function in-game )
So, back to the main topic.
Please, if you see someone who thinks its unfair that they didn't get in to beta yet, keep in mind that we WHERE promised instant beta, that we feel betrayed not inpatient and also that telling us to stop QQ isn't going to help us feel less tricked.
Blizzard told you celestial steed was limited, you bought it and feelt like you wasted your money because anyone could get it, this is the same thing.
TL;DR - I signed up for AP and all I got was a stupid news letter telling me diablo was gonna get released the 15th, which I already knew, wtf blizz.
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479137
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Post by
Candlekeeper
As someone that specifically didn't sign up for the AP because 1) it didn't pass the "sniff test" and 2) it doesn't change the fact that WoW is just terrible right now, I'm kinda amused by these threads.
You should have seen that this ploy absolutely *reeked* of desperation as soon as they announced it.
You'll get into the Beta... eventually... even if it's not til the week before they launch it, they fulfilled their end of the deal.
You probably should have read the thing a little closer, known who you are dealing with and apply the "fool me once" adage to future dealings with Blizzard.
Im not talking about when I will get in to beta.
What I am trying to say is that I have understanding for people that feel tricked.
Blizzard changed their contract when beta came out and made it sound less "instant, super, best deal" than before.
Post by
Candlekeeper
I think you miss the point about what beta really is. It's not about being the first to play the new expansion. It's about sending in reports and analysis to help make the finished product better. You're there to beta test. Sure, you're there to figure out what new things will be like. But a lot of it is subject to changes and more improvement. With so many people that signed up for the Annual Pass, suddenly having a hoarde of millions of players defeats the purpose of what a beta really means. There are only a few beta servers, and the logic of suddenly having millions of people trying to log into it at the same time once again defeats the purpose. Have you kept up with Blizzard Customer Service updates lately? Beta servers have kept crashing and gone on maintenance almost every day. And that's just with the "few" people they've allowed in thus far.
I know what beta is and I know that you can't invite anyone at the same time, but that dsn't change what blizzard initially said and how people who signed up for AP think about it.
Post by
deathbyte
So, back to the main topic.
Please, if you see someone who thinks its unfair that they didn't get in to beta yet,
keep in mind that we WHERE promised instant beta
, that we feel betrayed not inpatient and also that telling us to stop QQ isn't going to help us feel less tricked.
Blizzard told you celestial steed was limited, you bought it and feelt like you wasted your money because anyone could get it, this is the same thing.
TL;DR - I signed up for AP and all I got was a stupid news letter telling me diablo was gonna get released the 15th, which I already knew, wtf blizz.
No where were you ever promised INSTANT beta access, you were promised you would get into the beta, which everyone who signed up for the AP is going to get in.
To me this post is just your way of QQ but trying to not come across like you are.
Post by
Nathanyal
Both the people that have replied so far to your thread were accused of "reading your post incorrectly". Would you please explain to us how to read your post then? Because to me it sounds like you're upset at not getting into the beta even though you were told you would get in. Yet you tell us you're not upset over it, which very well sounds like a cover up.
But I'll wait for you to come along and tell me I don't know how to read your post.
Anyway I'm just going to report this thread as I don't see it going anywhere good.
Post by
Adamsm
I'm in Beta, and due to playing almost constantly for the last 7 years, I got in on the second wave.....and currently, dealing with the fact that you can't do any gathering quests(in Pandaria or in the old world), that a large number of quests are currently deactivated to Pandarens, and so on and so forth.
TL/Don't Wanna read: Just wait, you'll get in, same as they said.
Post by
Porcell
For someone who says they've read a lot of posts about this, I don't get why you don't understand that the verbiage used does not imply that you will get INSTANT beta access, no matter how much you might think it does.
Furthermore, I too originally thought (when I heard MIke make the announce) "Oh sweet, instant Beta access." And then when the news came that it would be in waves, I thought, "Oh, I guess that makes sense. They can't really invite 1,000,000 people all at once. I can wait a little."
Note that in Mike's speech he was very specific about the timing for Diablo 3. "This is the full digital version of the game... when Diablo 3 goes live, you'll be able to download it and begin playing instantly, just like you did with Cataclysm."
He's very clear the Diablo 3 you get the instant it's available.
Really, all this does come down to is people crying for no reason. Did you ever, for one second, say to yourself "Okay, the way Blizzard is doing the Beta makes sense. I am not getting screwed and the company does not hate me personally"?
Furthermore, what exactly do you think you are missing in the Beta right now? It's level capped at 86. You have Monk starting zone and only the very first 85+ zone. Most of the zone is empty. There are a ton of bugs. There is like 1 dungeon available. No scenarios, no professions, no new battle grounds. And more than HALF of all the AP subscribers have access now. They'll get you in, and probably get you in before anything "new" is added to test.
Stop freaking the #$%^ out and take a chill pill.
Post by
Sas148
I just want to say you're not missing anything on beta right now. It's pretty much broken.
Most quests aren't working at this moment... no one is really doing the dungeons or any of the battlegrounds... you can't level past 86, portals to SW don't work properly and that's if you're lucky to try any of that because, right now, everyone is getting a Fatal Error game crash about every few minutes when using a spell or ability or even just logging in.
May not be your point, but... you're not missing anything at the moment. When the client is at least stable, I'm sure you'll eventually get in.
Btw, when you're using quotes as proof of your claim, you really should provide verifiable sources of that information.
Post by
479137
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Post by
LZTYBRN
No where were you ever promised INSTANT beta access, you were promised you would get into the beta, which everyone who signed up for the AP is going to get in.
To me this post is just your way of QQ but trying to not come across like you are.
I agree with everything this guy said.
Btw, when you're using quotes as proof of your claim, you really should provide verifiable sources of that information.
This too. Your quotes mean absolutely nothing without a source. Have you never taken english?
And I don't think it was a mistake at all. I'm sure Blizz's wording was intentional to attract people who don't read things carefully.And this would explain why they never really addressed people's complaints.
Since there's no point in telling you you SHOULD HAVE read better; If in the future you come across a contract in which you agree to pay for something for a whole year, you may want to read it carefully and analytically.
Post by
hatman555
There will be no need to lock this if people don't start insulting each other. There are valid opinions on each side, just stick to a defense that involves facts.
Hat
Post by
60618
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Post by
Psychospy
I have been in the beta for 4-5 days now and still havent got passed creating a Panda and a couple of other characters. Still havent been able to log into the actual game yet. You're not missing much...
Post by
spiketcat
I got into Beta within the 1st 5 days...then spent the next week or so avoiding all the rampant panda's trying to burn that damned scroll...If you ask me i'd be happy to have been invited later when all the bugs and things have being at least a little sorted.
Post by
TheReal
I see people saying that OP is "whining in disguise," but I really don't think so. I see
sympathizing
empathizing, and if OP can provide references for the quotes, then he/she makes a very valid point.
Second, The information page "and beta access will go live with the beta launch"
Third, "You'll get guaranteed access when beta goes live."
I don't see how anyone CANNOT interpret the combination of those two sentences to mean instant beta access for AP players the second the beta goes live. Proper citations would lend strength to OP's argument, but step back and read the original post as if OP was a liaison between Blizzard and the AP players (instead of immediately assuming the motivation behind it is to whine/QQ/vent).
Post by
idip31
Just a touch off subject, I thought the whole deal with the Annual Pass was to get a free copy of Diable 3. The access to the Mist of Panderia Expansion Beta was a perk.
I think the OP mentioned that Blizzard had changed the contracts, so I'm assuming he means they are different now compared to how they were written immediately after Blizzcon 2011.
I would be very interested to see the changes if anyone knows where you could find these, just to fulfill my own curiosity.
I know, I wanted to sign up for it, but could not bring myself to committing to twelve months of WoW, without the ability to cancel if there was ever a need.
I don't think they've mentioned a release date for MoP yet? Sometime in 2012 is the estimate? The game could be months and months away from release, I think that is evident with the experience that many people are having with the Beta.
Edit: Grammar.
Post by
Candlekeeper
No where were you ever promised INSTANT beta access, you were promised you would get into the beta, which everyone who signed up for the AP is going to get in.
To me this post is just your way of QQ but trying to not come across like you are.
It's easy for you to say now that we who signed up for AP should have understood both meanings sentence "You'll get guaranteed access when beta goes live." and that maybe they didn't mean instantly but that you are only guaranteed once beta opens.
But I think many felt like they could trust blizzard, because its such a big company.
Both the people that have replied so far to your thread were accused of "reading your post incorrectly". Would you please explain to us how to read your post then? Because to me it sounds like you're upset at not getting into the beta even though you were told you would get in. Yet you tell us you're not upset over it, which very well sounds like a cover up.
But I'll wait for you to come along and tell me I don't know how to read your post.
Anyway I'm just going to report this thread as I don't see it going anywhere good.
Well obviously you didn't read the thread if you think im QQing about not getting in to beta, because no where in my post I state that I am mad at blizzard for not letting me in instantly.
What I have been saying is that I understand why people feel let down by blizzard, that is another thing than what you said.
Btw, when you're using quotes as proof of your claim, you really should provide verifiable sources of that information.
This too. Your quotes mean absolutely nothing without a source. Have you never taken english?
Sources:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ovVAdoycwcM
( Morhaime )
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9147168/WoW/MoPBetaSplash_thumb.png
( Contract information )
Post by
kaliko
well i havent got in and to be honest i dont care, i got the AP for diablo 3, if i get in i get in.
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