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Post by
Candlekeeper
WHEN beta went live EVERYONE on the Annual Pass list was given access to it. Doesn't mater if you play WoW on a commodore 64, with an un-patched pirate copy of windows XP as your operating system. You got on the list. The ability to log onto the servers though would come in waves.
Look at it as a large login queue.
Cheers,
Hat
No we didn't get access to it, we didn't get to download the client, we didn't get to login to the servers and we can
not
access
any
content from the beta, which was what the agreement implyed.
Never did blizzard say in the contract that it was between anyone else than you and blizzard, what others who signed up get isn't relevant to my contract at all.
You did get access to it (see below)
You can download the Client even if you can't log in (
see this post
)
Logging in has nothing to do with access
The Agreement did not imply anything but what is below
Mike Morhaime:
"You will also get guarantied access into the next World of Warcraft expansion beta when it goes live"
Now I the only terms of use for the annual pass I can find is
this one
. But in it, it says the following:
the opportunity to participate in the beta test for the next World of Warcraft expansion
(iii) flag the Account so that you will automatically receive an invite to the beta test for the next World of Warcraft expansion product.
ONE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE BETA TEST FOR THE NEXT WORLD OF WARCRAFT EXPANSION
one (1) opportunity to participate in the beta test for the next World of Warcraft expansion
When the beta went live. You WERE given access to it, through the flagging of your account for access. This is what you were promised. To get your account flagged like that is a HUGE deal. You don't get to play the beta if you don't qualify.
If they needed to take down the beta for a full week, for maintenance and updates, would you post another thread saying "Hey, you promised us access to the beta, now there is no access, this is robbery!" - I would hope you wouldn't cause that argument would be ridiculous.
Cheers,
Hat
No, I still haven't got access because the contract, previous and current does not say that im getting flagged it says that I am getting
beta
The process of delivering a beta version to the users is called beta release and this is typically the first time that the software is available outside of the organization that developed it.
I haven't officially been granted the software by blizzard therefore I did not get access to beta.
As for the draft taken out of Tou, it's been changed so you can't blame anyone who signed up for misreading that part as thats not what we read.
Post by
hatman555
And like hat said, where is your source for the actual quote you made? Just because they changed the policy doesn't mean they said they would never allow them to transfer.
No. and at this point, I have no interest in further bothering with it because it's going to get dismissed in one way or another regardless.
It's hard to be a Moderator sometimes.
Hat(##RESPBREAK##)136##DELIM##hatman555##DELIM##
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161859
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479137
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331902
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Post by
hatman555
except that it is. Or at the very least, people stop giving you the benefit of the doubt when "this is what it's going to be until it isn't" comes into play for the 3rd, 4th or 5th time too many.
What about the
27th
time? Is that too many times to stop giving them the benefit of the doubt?
I want my taxes back!
Hat
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479137
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Post by
hatman555
Off topic, but yes. And, you should vote accordingly.
Or are you just trying to go in to some province of memeland? (which if it were someone else doing this, you probably wouldn't approve.)
The example was very much on topic.
It was a valid counter point to your very weak point which unless I am understanding you wrong is:
"If its said once, it should never change"
Even if the world around the decisions changes, and it makes more sense and logic to then go and make that change, it can't be done, because we once said that it would never happen.
Discussion of voting or legislation reform would be off topic, and I wouldn't approve of that!
Cheers,
Hat
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479137
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Post by
lonewarrior
beta access did go live...players got access upholding the wording. Just not the OP
Agreement was between the user and blizzard, if someone else gets beta access when the servers went live is irrelevant to my contract because that has nothing to do with me.
What I didn't express clearly is that, when Beta went live...players were given access right at the start, thus upholding the wording of their contract. But the contract never legally implied everyone would get instant access only that everyone would get access.
Your the one who made the assumption it was suppose to be instant, which has no legal basis.
Now if Beta closes and you don't get in...then you have a claim for fraudulent misrepresentation.
I know it stings...I know you feel duped and cheated.
They have a team of lawyers writing these agreement up..while the consumer is at the mercy of their own wits.
Not a very fair fight for anyone nor was it ever meant to be.
Your displeasure has been duly noted...like I said, chalk it up to a life lesson and hope they don't make you wait much longer,
PS.
Business tort
Fraudulent misrepresentation, known also as fraud or deceit, protects economic interests and the right to fair and honest treatment. For a fraud claim, a plaintiff must establish that the defendant intentionally misrepresented a material fact and the plaintiff relied on and was harmed by the misrepresentation.
Zero chance of hitting Blizz with this...at this juncture.
The argument otherwise is just about semantics.
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479137
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Post by
hatman555
When it comes to Blizzard, yes, since they're the ones that feel the need to speak in absolutes as if they're the only ones who know what's best and what's going on.
They want to be the standard, so they need to meet their own standard.
Your counterpoint is just as weak as your main argument.
Just because Blizzard speaks with authority doesn't mean that their statements will never change. It is their policy, if anything you can EXPECT it to change whenever they see fit.
They want to be the standard? standard of what? Its their game, they will do whatever benefits their financial line the best. If they see that the majority of their players feel that PvP to PvE transfers are unfair, then "those transfers will never happen!" Awesome! The majority is happy. But then, when time passes and the populous gets used to transfers, and see that leveling really isn't an issue anymore, and they really, really wish they could go play with their PvP friends, then "PvP to PvE transfers are now possible" Hurray! The majority is happy again!
Blizzard has lost the trust, patience and goodwill of most of it's customer base.
You couldn't be more wrong.
Cheers,
Hat
Post by
161859
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Post by
hatman555
Yes, and they'll be raked over the coals when/if they try this kind of stunt again. Both by the people that are now feeling like rubes because this situation and by those of us that (correctly) saw it for the ruse/gimmick/desperate trick that it was.
As someone that specifically didn't sign up for the AP because 1) it didn't pass the "sniff test"
You can still
sign up
. Its not too late.
Then when the "ruse/gimmick/desperate trick" that is Annual Pass gives you your free version of Diablo III you might not be as mad.
Cheers,
Hat
Post by
Candlekeeper
beta access did go live...players got access upholding the wording. Just not the OP
Agreement was between the user and blizzard, if someone else gets beta access when the servers went live is irrelevant to my contract because that has nothing to do with me.
What I didn't express clearly is that, when Beta went live...players were given access right at the start, thus upholding the wording of their contract. But the contract never legally implied everyone would get instant access only that everyone would get access.
Your the one who made the assumption it was suppose to be instant, which has no legal basis.
Now if Beta closes and you don't get in...then you have a claim for fraudulent misrepresentation..
How does
This
not mean that you will be able to play as soon as they announce that beta servers have gone live?
What exactly is it that we have already gotten access to?
Post by
Dragalthor
beta access did go live...players got access upholding the wording. Just not the OP
Agreement was between the user and blizzard, if someone else gets beta access when the servers went live is irrelevant to my contract because that has nothing to do with me.
What I didn't express clearly is that, when Beta went live...players were given access right at the start, thus upholding the wording of their contract. But the contract never legally implied everyone would get instant access only that everyone would get access.
Your the one who made the assumption it was suppose to be instant, which has no legal basis.
Now if Beta closes and you don't get in...then you have a claim for fraudulent misrepresentation..
How does
This
not mean that you will be able to play as soon as they announce that beta servers have gone live?
What exactly is it that we have already gotten access to?
But Beta access has gone live, just because we dont currently have access to it doesn't change the fact that it is live.
Post by
479137
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Post by
hatman555
How does
This
not mean that you will be able to play as soon as they announce that beta servers have gone live?
What exactly is it that we have already gotten access to?
You have gotten access to the line to beta.
Disney land opens its doors at 7am. Unless your first in the line, you're still not going to get to ride the rides until 7:30.
This is not a trivial thing. Getting access to a blizzard beta is hard, or dumb luck. Players with poor system specs rarely get in. Annual Pass now gets you in! That's HUGE.
Cheers,
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Post by
678294
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Post by
hatman555
diablo 3 is probally just like SC2 able to be played offline, you just cant use all it functions then.
(not sure about it, but i think its a correct assumption)
Unfortunately No.
This
small article
goes into it very quickly, and is a good summary. It even mentions what you said about SC2.
Cheers,
Hat
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