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Post by
TheReal
Some people still can't differentiate between the proper use of "when" and "after."
Post by
Dragalthor
Some people still can't differentiate between the proper use of "when" and "after."
I really hate to do this but which exact use of "when" were you referring to?
when
Adverb
1. at what time or period? how long ago? how soon?: When are they to arrive? When did the Roman Empire exist?
2. under what circumstances? upon what occasion?: When is a letter of condolence in order? When did you ever see such a crowd?
Conjunction
3. at what time: to know when to be silent.
4. at the time or in the event that: when we were young; when the noise stops.
5. at any time; whenever: He is impatient when he is kept waiting.
6. upon or after which; and then: We had just fallen asleep when the bell rang.
7. while on the contrary; considering that; whereas: Why are you here when you should be in school?
Pronoun
8. what time: Till when is the store open?
9. which time: They left on Monday, since when we have heard nothing.
Noun
10. the time of anything: the when and the where of an act.
Post by
TheReal
Some people still can't differentiate between the proper use of "when" and "after."
I really hate to do this but which exact use of "when" were you referring to?
when
Adverb
1. at what time or period? how long ago? how soon?: When are they to arrive? When did the Roman Empire exist?
2. under what circumstances? upon what occasion?: When is a letter of condolence in order? When did you ever see such a crowd?
Conjunction
3. at what time: to know when to be silent.
4. at the time or in the event that: when we were young; when the noise stops.
5. at any time; whenever: He is impatient when he is kept waiting.
6. upon or after which; and then: We had just fallen asleep when the bell rang.
7. while on the contrary; considering that; whereas: Why are you here when you should be in school?
Pronoun
8. what time: Till when is the store open?
9. which time: They left on Monday, since when we have heard nothing.
Noun
10. the time of anything: the when and the where of an act.
Not a single one of the definitions you posted are interchangeable with "after." Thank you.
Post by
Dragalthor
but not all of them are synonyms for
immediate
either.
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Post by
hatman555
I'll post my take on this.
Annual Pass was a great Idea. I see it as having 4 benefits.
More reason to pay in 6 month intervals
If you sign up to a year contract, it makes the most sense to pay in their 6 month blocks and you get your WoW time cheaper.
Of course for some people its not convenient to have a larger payment like that, so you can pay for the months any way you want, even game cards count.
Free in-game mount
Cool. Mounts cost 10 to 25 USD on the blizzard store. You get one for free!
Free digital copy of Diablo 3
PC games these days are price around 59.99 for a new title. As a blizzard game it might come out a bit cheaper, but then again, it might be a bit more. I think 59.99 is a safe bet. You get it for free.
Access to Beta
So now we get into the mix. Access to Beta. If you
didn't
have Annual pass, you would need to be selected by the Blizzard Beta team. That means that your computer would need to meet certain specs, you would need to have a certain history of play, and maybe even past testing experience. If you didn't have those, you would need to hope that you get lucky enough to be given a key in a promotion or event. Even then your not guaranteed that spot.
WHEN beta went live EVERYONE on the Annual Pass list was given access to it. Doesn't mater if you play WoW on a commodore 64, with an un-patched pirate copy of windows XP as your operating system. You got on the list. The ability to log onto the servers though would come in waves.
Look at it as a large login queue.
Blizzard didn't need to market the Anual pass. They did it because they balanced a cost benefit and saw that it would help them financially, both in bring back players, and in securing current players. Even if they are eating a cost of a mount and new game, they saw the value in it.
I think its an EXTREMELY fair deal, and that anyone who posts topics like this is bitter for no reason.
Doesn't mater if they say they arn't complaining. Its just silliness to say anything negative about blizzard on Annual Pass.
Cheers,
Hat
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Post by
Nathanyal
Like I said. You're going to dismiss whatever is posted against Blizzard. I get it. It's what you do.
And there you go calling them a Blizzard fanboy for lack of a better response. Entro dismissed the rest because you didn't provide a reliable source to where any of that was said.
Again, just because you had a bad experience with Blizzard doesn't mean every one has.
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Post by
hatman555
http://wow.joystiq.com/2008/09/11/pve-to-pvp-paid-transfers-now-available/
Would that one be good enough for you? No. probably not.
I see an article reporting on the change in policy there. Do you have a source for what you actually quoted?
"We'll never allow transfer from pve to pvp."
At this point its splitting hairs though. Why would any of the other things you quoted be representative of a lost of trust compared to:
7+ years they have kept the servers running
updated after updated of new content
patches
maintenance
customer support
conventions
contests
videos
tours
job opportunities
and just plain general enjoyment of
an awesome franchise.
Cheers,
Hat(##RESPBREAK##)136##DELIM##hatman555##DELIM##
Post by
Candlekeeper
For the third time now - "
When" denotes the specific point in time something occurs
, not after not before, but at that specific point in time.
Incorrect - and here is an example
"when you mix sulpher and granulated pool chlorine in a sealed container you will get an explosion "
All words differ depending on the sentence, in the AP agreement "
When" denotes the specific point in time something occurs
Your example has nothing to do with what was said in the agreement and is irrelevant.
But I'm done trying to make someone who deliberately misinterprets wording to try see basic common sense.
You keep replying though and while we actually listen to what you have to say you keep repeating yourself and ignoring all our arguments, bring life to the discussion instead of being solid rock.
beta access did go live...players got access upholding the wording. Just not the OP
Agreement was between the user and blizzard, if someone else gets beta access when the servers went live is irrelevant to my contract because that has nothing to do with me.
but not all of them are synonyms for
immediate
either.
Some are and agreement it was.
And that's the whole issue despite protests to the contrary. The ones deliberately choosing to interpret the wording to suit themselves are simply just pissed off that they aren't in the beta at the moment.
I never saw any posts before beta went live about that it wsn't instant access so 1 million users deliberately interpret the wording.
Don't you think its something wrong in the contract then?
WHEN beta went live EVERYONE on the Annual Pass list was given access to it. Doesn't mater if you play WoW on a commodore 64, with an un-patched pirate copy of windows XP as your operating system. You got on the list. The ability to log onto the servers though would come in waves.
Look at it as a large login queue.
Cheers,
Hat
No we didn't get access to it, we didn't get to download the client, we didn't get to login to the servers and we can
not
access
any
content from the beta, which was what the agreement implyed.
Never did blizzard say in the contract that it was between anyone else than you and blizzard, what others who signed up get isn't relevant to my contract at all.
I am going to dismiss them without actual sources.
Most of what you have quoted as actual instances of lies are just nonsense.
You've not provided a single source of what you mean blizzard said actually is true, you can't dismiss something just because it dsn't fit you to answer.
Like I said. You're going to dismiss whatever is posted against Blizzard. I get it. It's what you do.
And there you go calling them a Blizzard fanboy for lack of a better response. Entro dismissed the rest because you didn't provide a reliable source to where any of that was said.
Again, just because you had a bad experience with Blizzard doesn't mean every one has.
No one has called anyone a fanboy in this thread, you are the first.
If we take it to the extreme, can you prove that not everyone have had bad experiences with blizzard?
Good luck.
People seem to always jump right into "Blizzard is lying to people". Has is ever occurred to folks that maybe the verbiage was not ideal? The people who write these things are human. They can make mistakes, and things can be misinterpreted (even if lawyers review it). It happens. Just look at the different interpretations of the OP's post.
The difference is that I am one person who learnt english in school and blizzard is a big company based in the US where you could assume that alot of the employees where born with english as their first language.
Post by
Nathanyal
Like I said.
You're going to dismiss whatever is posted against Blizzard. I get it. It's what you do.
And there you go calling them a Blizzard fanboy for lack of a better response. Entro dismissed the rest because you didn't provide a reliable source to where any of that was said.
Again, just because you had a bad experience with Blizzard doesn't mean every one has.
Please state *exactly* where I called him a fanboy. Go on. I'll wait. Otherwise your next post should start with an apology.
http://wow.joystiq.com/2008/09/11/pve-to-pvp-paid-transfers-now-available/
Would that one be good enough for you? No. probably not.
You saying the underlined part is basically calling him a fanboy. Just because you didn't use the exact words doesn't mean you weren't implying it.
And like hat said, where is your source for the actual quote you made? Just because they changed the policy doesn't mean they said they would never allow them to transfer.
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479137
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Post by
hatman555
WHEN beta went live EVERYONE on the Annual Pass list was given access to it. Doesn't mater if you play WoW on a commodore 64, with an un-patched pirate copy of windows XP as your operating system. You got on the list. The ability to log onto the servers though would come in waves.
Look at it as a large login queue.
Cheers,
Hat
No we didn't get access to it, we didn't get to download the client, we didn't get to login to the servers and we can
not
access
any
content from the beta, which was what the agreement implyed.
Never did blizzard say in the contract that it was between anyone else than you and blizzard, what others who signed up get isn't relevant to my contract at all.
You did get access to it (see below)
You can download the Client even if you can't log in (
see this post
)
Logging in has nothing to do with access
The Agreement did not imply anything but what is below
Mike Morhaime:
"You will also get guarantied access into the next World of Warcraft expansion beta when it goes live"
Now I the only terms of use for the annual pass I can find is
this one
. But in it, it says the following:
the opportunity to participate in the beta test for the next World of Warcraft expansion
(iii) flag the Account so that you will automatically receive an invite to the beta test for the next World of Warcraft expansion product.
ONE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE BETA TEST FOR THE NEXT WORLD OF WARCRAFT EXPANSION
one (1) opportunity to participate in the beta test for the next World of Warcraft expansion
When the beta went live. You WERE given access to it, through the flagging of your account for access. This is what you were promised. To get your account flagged like that is a HUGE deal. You don't get to play the beta if you don't qualify.
If they needed to take down the beta for a full week, for maintenance and updates, would you post another thread saying "Hey, you promised us access to the beta, now there is no access, this is robbery!" - I would hope you wouldn't cause that argument would be ridiculous.
Cheers,
Hat
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