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Post by
Dragalthor
I was always under the impression that if I agreed to partake of the AP that I would get into the Beta at
some point
and was not expecting instant access as soon as the servers went live.
The agreement that I read through was the European version of the one that idip31 pasted
Post by
irishsnout
I signed up for the AP because of diablo3 and the mount. I'm going to pass on beta. I think reporting bugs to a company I am paying to create a polished game just sounds silly.
Post by
206732
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Adamsm
What I do NOT get is why people whose accounts have been inactive for over a year, who freaking QUIT THE GAME before cata came out now have beta access, and I don't. When my subscription hasn't lapsed, and when I was supposed to have guaranteed beta access.
THAT freaking chaps my hide. People who quit the game and their account has been inactive for that long should not be getting beta invites when people who were told they had guaranteed access "when the beta goes live" are still waiting.
Depends; some of those who have been inactive may have been Beta testers for Vanilla, BC, and Wrath and did their job well during that time; Blizzard does want as many competent testers to shore up the pure number of people going in to sight see off the AP....of course, if said users are of the vocal hate minority, then I have no idea what Blizzard is thinking of.
Post by
idip31
What I do NOT get is why people whose accounts have been inactive for over a year, who freaking QUIT THE GAME before cata came out now have beta access, and I don't. When my subscription hasn't lapsed, and when I was supposed to have guaranteed beta access.
THAT freaking chaps my hide. People who quit the game and their account has been inactive for that long should not be getting beta invites when people who were told they had guaranteed access "when the beta goes live" are still waiting.
Depends; some of those who have been inactive may have been Beta testers for Vanilla, BC, and Wrath and did their job well during that time; Blizzard does want as many competent testers to shore up the pure number of people going in to sight see off the AP....of course, if said users are of the vocal hate minority, then I have no idea what Blizzard is thinking of.
I would also imagine that those users might have some system specs that Blizzard might want to take a deeper look at. I've had my Beta specs up since Battle.net has launched, and I've never been invited to a Beta, it's just how things work. It's not based on your 'loyalty' to the company by playing the game.
Post by
idip31
The Morhaime guy at Blizcon 2011 clearly states that the deal gives you guaranteed access to the Beta when it goes live.
He doesn't say at some point in the Beta.
He says when it goes live which means they all should be in at the start and if they are not then Blizzard have screwed up and should have thought more about what they were offering or been more careful what they said at Blizcon (to give them the benefit of the doubt).
If one really wants to interpret his words another way they could say... "Sure... Beta Access goes live with the Beta Launch... I mean, how else could you get access? I mean, if there is no Beta..... then.... there is no Beta Access?
:-)
At this point, I just wish they would have opened up the Beta to all AP users right away.... wait a minute. That would have been a bad idea. Then we would hear all them QQ about how packed the Beta is and how they can't do quests and there are long queue times to even log into the server.
Sigh... Ya just can't win... can ya?
Post by
Cambo
In my opinion, it saddens me how players can get all worked up over something so trivial - although it no longer surprises me with WoW players..
You'll get your beta. Just wait. Perhaps Morhaime said what the OP thinks he said before Blizzard figured out it was best to send invites to the beta in segments. People (and especially Blizzard) are not perfect, so you are plain silly if you expect no to-or-froing or mistakes or lack of clarity or back-tracking.
You should appreciate that they are sending out SO MANY invites to the majority of the playerbase, and being so open and transparent.
Does the OP never make mistakes? Say things that later on they find out they should have said differently? Should they measure themselves the way that they judge Blizzard?
Post by
Candlekeeper
The Morhaime guy at Blizcon 2011 clearly states that the deal gives you guaranteed access to the Beta when it goes live.
He doesn't say at some point in the Beta.
He says when it goes live which means they all should be in at the start and if they are not then Blizzard have screwed up and should have thought more about what they were offering or been more careful what they said at Blizcon (to give them the benefit of the doubt).
If one really wants to interpret his words another way they could say... "Sure... Beta Access goes live with the Beta Launch... I mean, how else could you get access? I mean, if there is no Beta..... then.... there is no Beta Access?
:-)
At this point, I just wish they would have opened up the Beta to all AP users right away.... wait a minute. That would have been a bad idea. Then we would hear all them QQ about how packed the Beta is and how they can't do quests and there are long queue times to even log into the server.
Sigh... Ya just can't win... can ya?
Why would anyone want to interpret something that sounds good from the beginning?
We thought we didn't have to because we thought that we could trust blizzard, but they either tried to fool us or didn't keep their promise.
If you opened up beta for everyone at the same time atleast they would have kept their promise and you could have used that as your argument.
People would still think they got tricked because what they got access to isnt playable or anywhere like previous betas, but blizzard never said anything about that and even though it would be wrong of blizzard behave in such way, it would be the contract as we read it the first time.
Currently, they told us one thing and gave us another.
Post by
331902
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Post by
Adamsm
Currently, they told us one thing and gave us another.Again, depends on how you read the quotes; I and others, never interpreted it as 'instant' Beta as soon as the servers were up, since the Press always gets in first, then the previous reliable Beta Testers, and then those who opt in. To me, the AP people are just those who would have opted in anyways, and they get a free pass to the front of the opting queue....well, once their accounts are checked for join time, total time subscribed, and date of purchase for the AP.
Post by
978011
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Post by
TheReal
Second, The information page "and beta access will go live with the beta launch"
Third, "You'll get guaranteed access when beta goes live."
Please tell me how anyone can interpret that differently. Taken as it's written, it means AP players get instant beta access.
Had anything been said beforehand (as publicly as the other announcements, at the
least
) that Blizzard intended to release invites in waves, it would justify calling people whiners.
No it doesn't, otherwise it would contain the word instant.
This is where the confusion occurs.
You'll be able to come into the park once it opens.
We'll let you into the park when it opens.
...is different from:
You'll be able to come into the park once it opens.
We'll let you into the park after it opens.
I admit it takes a critical eye to discern the difference between "when" and "after," but there is a difference in the time frames they imply;
When
denotes the specific point in time something occurs, and
After
denotes any point in time following some occurrence.
The presence or absence of the word "instant" has nothing to do with how the original statement should be perceived. Blizzard, whether intentionally or not, pulled a bait-and-switch. If you assert the quotes OP provided are open to interpretation, then you must blame Blizzard for a failure to communicate properly (which would inherently justify the complaints).
Complainers are justified in holding their belief whether you like it not. If you don't agree with them, that's your prerogative but it's impossible for anyone to prove their beliefs are unjustified when given the evidence.
Post by
331902
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Post by
Candlekeeper
Guaranteed access once beta goes live means you will not be excluded from participating.
It doesn't mean you will be first, it just means you get access to the beta.
So yes, it can be interpreted differently.
Some people understand they will get exactly what was promised, whilst others are just using it to have a good old whinge.
I think actually many are just jumping on the bandwaggon.
So you don't think there is any difference between saying guaranteed access to beta and guaranteed access to beta when it goes live?
The second is specific while the first is generalised.
In this case no.
Given that there is more than one stage of beta testing, IE: open beta, closed beta.
I guess this will maybe mean in future Blizzard will be more anal with their wording, because some people will just pick at everything.
Like I say far too often for my liking, Some of the player base are a bunch of whiny entitled jackasses who seemingly just live to complain about anything they can.
You can't argue with grammar, which you reveal yourself when your only argument is "it's not like that"
Tell us how "guaranteed access to beta when it goes live" does not mean that you will get as soon as they open the servers.
As
TheRealArkayn
said
"When" denotes the specific point in time something occurs
You have missed the whole point of this discussion if you still think that we who didn't get into beta when it went live are "whining" and complaining for no reason.
Post by
Wombat62
I see people saying that OP is "whining in disguise," but I really don't think so. I see
sympathizing
empathizing, and if OP can provide references for the quotes, then he/she makes a very valid point.
Second, The information page "and beta access will go live with the beta launch"
Third, "You'll get guaranteed access when beta goes live."
I don't see how anyone CANNOT interpret the combination of those two sentences to mean instant beta access for AP players the second the beta goes live. Proper citations would lend strength to OP's argument, but step back and read the original post as if OP was a liaison between Blizzard and the AP players (instead of immediately assuming the motivation behind it is to whine/QQ/vent).
Beta access did go live when beta was launched .
AP holders ( myself included ) will get access to it while it is live .
I see nothing in the two statements above that says I will get in staight away ( I even showed this to teh corprate lawyers at my company and even they agree with me) . I NEVER expected to get in straight away --actually I was expecting to get in with about a month to go -to see that AP holders will get well before that point is an added bonus to me
Post by
331902
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Post by
Candlekeeper
Beta access did go live when beta was launched .
No it didn't, not for me, I can not access the beta servers, so I did not get beta access when the servers went live.
These contracts where individual and never said that
some
would get beta access when the servers went live.
The contract was between you and blizzard and no one else was involved.
You have missed the whole point of this discussion if you still think that we who didn't get into beta when it went live are "whining" and complaining for no reason.
Like I said, the wording can be seen as ambiguous.
It is certainly not a deliberate attempt to mislead, and most people have understood it.
You are one of the minority who choose to interpret the wording in a way that gives you a feeling of being somehow cheated.
Common sense should tell you that is simply not the case.
There is really no point in going any further, If you want to misinterpret the agreement, then fine, that is your prerogative, But really you should be taking action against the ones who have so wronged you, instead of whining about it on here.
No matter what you say, it is irrelevant before you tell me, how
you
see it.
I said that since
guaranteed
is before
when
it means that you are already guaranteed
before
beta goes live which leaves the only other possible explanation that they guarantee you that you will get access to the beta when it goes live.
For the third time now - "
When" denotes the specific point in time something occurs
, not after not before, but at that specific point in time.
Post by
Wombat62
For the third time now - "
When" denotes the specific point in time something occurs
, not after not before, but at that specific point in time.
Incorrect - and here is an example
"when you mix sulpher and granulated pool chlorine in a sealed container you will get an explosion "
By you definition of WHEN the explosion will happed straight away --it doesnt , it takes time to happen - but the statement above is correct , both gramatically and chemically.
( a guy I went to school with actually did this , thinking that the explosion would happen straight away he was dissapointed when it didnt so took the sealed container ( small glass jar ) out of the blast rig he had set up and brought it to school to ask our chem teacher what went wrong . he left it in his desk , fortunately it was recess time when the thing exploded blowing the lid of his desk and covering the desks around him with molten sulfpher and glass fragments )
Post by
331902
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Post by
lonewarrior
Ambiguity is an instrument in advertising. Never assume anything without asking questions...otherwise you usually get burned.
The wording is carefully crafted.
Second, The information page "and beta access will go live with the beta launch"
Third, "You'll get guaranteed access when beta goes live."
beta access did go live...players got access upholding the wording. Just not the OP
If the OP doesn't get access by the time beta closes then he has an argument but until then Blizz is still upholding there end of the bargain.
An example would be being promised tickets to a ballgame
"get free tickets when the season starts"....you will get your tickets when the season starts but it doesn't imply the tickets will be for opening day, just that the tickets you get will let you see a ballgame before the season is over.
This just falls in Line with downsizing contents while leaving the package the same size and all the other myriad schemes that companies use to separate you from your money.
OP....Chalk it up to a life experience and move on.
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