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161859
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Post by
Fathersqui
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I completely agree.
Personally, I would love to be in beta...but as someone else before me said "this isnt beta testing its a beta preview" or something to that nature...I know i will get into beta even if the last few weeks before it becomes live but once the major bugs get sorted out or content is able to get a little better there is no point to let all the AP users get into beta.
Post by
331902
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Post by
Candlekeeper
The sense of entitlement is overwhelming sometimes on Wow forums.
Quit crying over nothing. Blizzard have not gone back on anything, the only reason people are whining is because they didn't bother to read/or understand the deal in the first place.
I get asked to provide evidence of blizzard saying that I would get instant access to the MoP beta, where is your evidence of that they didn't have to?
My opening post is directed directly at people like you, people who don't even bother to read what I wrote, which obviously you didn't.
If you did, then maybe you would understand what I am trying to say, that you should stop attacking people just because they are expressing their dissapointment in Annual Pass, why can't you do that?
There is no reason for you to bother at all, but you do, you bother to write mean things to others for no reason.
You should read before you write and you should understand that many think differently than you.
Post by
Adamsm
It's easy for you to say now that we who signed up for AP should have understood both meanings sentence "You'll get guaranteed access when beta goes live." and that maybe they didn't mean instantly but that you are only guaranteed once beta opens.
But I think many felt like they could trust blizzard, because its such a big company.And you can still trust Blizzard; people with the AP are going to get in, but they, like the rest of the WoW player base, do have to wait their turn. Since the AP was more about the pre-order copy of D3 and to keep people playing the game, they threw in the Beta access as a final perk in addition to the mount and digital download.
Post by
Candlekeeper
And you can still trust Blizzard; people with the AP are going to get in, but they, like the rest of the WoW player base, do have to wait their turn. Since the AP was more about the pre-order copy of D3 and to keep people playing the game, they threw in the Beta access as a final perk in addition to the mount and digital download.
They made it very clear that MoP beta was a part of the annual pass, I think that many got attracted to it.
Blizzard said
A
it turned out to be
B
what they first said wsn't true, why would you trust them not to do the same again?
( Ps. morhaime said beta before mount so "final perk" is untrue )
Post by
lankybrit
And you can still trust Blizzard; people with the AP are going to get in, but they, like the rest of the WoW player base, do have to wait their turn. Since the AP was more about the pre-order copy of D3 and to keep people playing the game, they threw in the Beta access as a final perk in addition to the mount and digital download.
They made it very clear that MoP beta was a part of the annual pass, I think that many got attracted to it.
Blizzard said
A
it turned out to be
B
what they first said wsn't true, why would you trust them not to do the same again?
( Ps. morhaime said beta before mount so "final perk" is untrue )
Don't be silly. Everyone will get into Beta just as they said. You're a bit of a bungalow if you don't think that having Beta in waves is the right thing to do.
Cheers.
Post by
Candlekeeper
And you can still trust Blizzard; people with the AP are going to get in, but they, like the rest of the WoW player base, do have to wait their turn. Since the AP was more about the pre-order copy of D3 and to keep people playing the game, they threw in the Beta access as a final perk in addition to the mount and digital download.
They made it very clear that MoP beta was a part of the annual pass, I think that many got attracted to it.
Blizzard said
A
it turned out to be
B
what they first said wsn't true, why would you trust them not to do the same again?
( Ps. morhaime said beta before mount so "final perk" is untrue )
Don't be silly. Everyone will get into Beta just as they said. You're a bit of a bungalow if you don't think that having Beta in waves is the right thing to do.
Cheers.
You are ignoring the fact that if someone exploits your trust, you get dissappointed in them, this is the same situation, we should all have understanding in that people got dissappointed in blizzard because what they said wsn't true.
Post by
Adamsm
And you can still trust Blizzard; people with the AP are going to get in, but they, like the rest of the WoW player base, do have to wait their turn. Since the AP was more about the pre-order copy of D3 and to keep people playing the game, they threw in the Beta access as a final perk in addition to the mount and digital download.
They made it very clear that MoP beta was a part of the annual pass, I think that many got attracted to it.
Blizzard said
A
it turned out to be
B
what they first said wsn't true, why would you trust them not to do the same again?
( Ps. morhaime said beta before mount so "final perk" is untrue )
And? I only got the AP for the mount; to me, both D3 and the Beta pass were 'perks' on top of that. Also; AP users are getting into Beta; would it have been nice to mention that you will get into the waves based on Start date of WoW, total time subscribed, purchase date of the AP? Of course; did that mean they were considering that already at Blizzcon and 'laughing' at the player base for not 'revealing' it all? Not even freaking close: other then Dance Studios, I've yet to see Blizzard 'lie' to us, since doing so would open themselves up to lawsuits.
Post by
lonewarrior
I see people saying that OP is "whining in disguise," but I really don't think so. I see
sympathizing
empathizing, and if OP can provide references for the quotes, then he/she makes a very valid point.
Second, The information page "and beta access will go live with the beta launch"
Third, "You'll get guaranteed access when beta goes live."
I don't see how anyone CANNOT interpret the combination of those two sentences to mean instant beta access for AP players the second the beta goes live. Proper citations would lend strength to OP's argument, but step back and read the original post as if OP was a liaison between Blizzard and the AP players (instead of immediately assuming the motivation behind it is to whine/QQ/vent).
considering how Blizz has written up its tooltip over the years...being unclear is a trademark for them.
Post by
deathbyte
Seriously stop complaining. Blizzard could have just said D3 will be out on this date, MoP will have a beta and you will still pay the same price you already do and get nothing else...
Post by
TheReal
I see people saying that OP is "whining in disguise," but I really don't think so. I see
sympathizing
empathizing, and if OP can provide references for the quotes, then he/she makes a very valid point.
Second, The information page "and beta access will go live with the beta launch"
Third, "You'll get guaranteed access when beta goes live."
I don't see how anyone CANNOT interpret the combination of those two sentences to mean instant beta access for AP players the second the beta goes live. Proper citations would lend strength to OP's argument, but step back and read the original post as if OP was a liaison between Blizzard and the AP players (instead of immediately assuming the motivation behind it is to whine/QQ/vent).
considering how Blizz has written up its tooltip over the years...being unclear is a trademark for them.
Is it wrong to consider a statement on its own merits? Must someone's past mistakes always influence the meaning of what they say today? There is this thing called clarity, and it really isn't that difficult to achieve. One would think that with billions of dollars at their disposal, Blizzard could send their PR people to a communications class or two.
Don't be silly. Everyone will get into Beta just as they said. You're a bit of a bungalow if you don't think that having Beta in waves is the right thing to do.
But the problem the OP is expressing here is that everyone ISN'T getting into the beta "as said." Blizzard said AP players would get instant beta access, which turned out to be false. It's a clear-cut case of either betrayal of trust or a failure to communicate, both of which Blizzard should be held accountable for. Intentionally betraying trust is downright immoral, and failing to communicate is avoidable with a little intelligence.
And you can still trust Blizzard; people with the AP are going to get in, but they, like the rest of the WoW player base, do have to wait their turn. Since the AP was more about the pre-order copy of D3 and to keep people playing the game, they threw in the Beta access as a final perk in addition to the mount and digital download.
They made it very clear that MoP beta was a part of the annual pass, I think that many got attracted to it.
Blizzard said
A
it turned out to be
B
what they first said wsn't true, why would you trust them not to do the same again?
( Ps. morhaime said beta before mount so "final perk" is untrue )
And? I only got the AP for the mount; to me, both D3 and the Beta pass were 'perks' on top of that. Also; AP users are getting into Beta; would it have been nice to mention that you will get into the waves based on Start date of WoW, total time subscribed, purchase date of the AP? Of course; did that mean they were considering that already at Blizzcon and 'laughing' at the player base for not 'revealing' it all? Not even freaking close: other then Dance Studios, I've yet to see Blizzard 'lie' to us, since doing so would open themselves up to lawsuits.
You got AP for the mount. Some got AP for D3. Still others got AP for (the promised) instant MoP beta access. AP attracted players for different reasons; the mount people got their mount as promised, D3 people will get D3 as promised, but beta people got screwed
according to what Blizzard told them
.
I really don't see what's so hard to understand. OP is, in my opinion, successfully defending those people who a) have valid complaints and b) have to put up with fanboys and the short-sighted trying to defend Blizzard at their expense.
(For the record, I didn't sign up for AP)
Post by
lankybrit
But the problem the OP is expressing here is that everyone ISN'T getting into the beta "as said." Blizzard said AP players would get instant beta access, which turned out to be false. It's a clear-cut case of either betrayal of trust or a failure to communicate, both of which Blizzard should be held accountable for. Intentionally betraying trust is downright immoral, and failing to communicate is avoidable with a little intelligence.
They never said players would get 'instant' Beta access. They said they'd get into Beta when it went live. People assumed it meant instant, but of course they have to do waves to stop overloading the servers. So, it's entirely reasonable. No one was hoodwinked or mis-led. They jumped to their own in-correct conclusions.
Cheers.
Post by
Adamsm
You got AP for the mount. Some got AP for D3. Still others got AP for (the promised) instant MoP beta access. AP attracted players for different reasons; the mount people got their mount as promised, D3 people will get D3 as promised, but beta people got screwed
according to what Blizzard told them
.
(For the record, I didn't sign up for AP)
I don't see how they were screwed; they will get into Beta, as the waves go out: I was in the second wave of invites, and happy. Yes, it would have been nice at Blizzcon for them to put out the entire reasoning for how people would get in....but they didn't know at that time how many there would be.
Post by
idip31
They never said players would get 'instant' Beta access. They said they'd get into Beta when it went live. People assumed it meant instant, but of course they have to do waves to stop overloading the servers. So, it's entirely reasonable. No one was hoodwinked or mis-led. They jumped to their own in-correct conclusions.
Cheers.
Agreed, if someone players are so concerned that Blizzard is not following the stipulations of the Annual Pass contract, just sue them already and stop QQ'ing on forum posts.
Post by
idip31
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(iii) flag the Account so that you will automatically receive an invite to the beta test for the next World of Warcraft expansion product.
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Emphasis mine, This is what I was looking for. Does the "pre-changed" contract state that the account will recieve Beta Access the minute it goes live?
Because if you sign up, at least now, it says you're account will recieve Beta Access, there is just no specified time frame on when you would be granted access.
Post by
331902
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
TheReal
The current state of the beta has nothing to do with what AP players were promised, therefore it's nothing but a straw man in this argument. For those who are having trouble maintaining focus, this is the argument:
Blizzard promised instant beta access to AP players and it didn't happen. Therefore, the players who feel slighted have a right to complain about it.
Successfully arguing against this point requires proof that Blizzard didn't promise instant beta access or that the "victims" do not have a right to complain. Let's maintain some degree of focus here.
You got AP for the mount. Some got AP for D3. Still others got AP for (the promised) instant MoP beta access. AP attracted players for different reasons; the mount people got their mount as promised, D3 people will get D3 as promised, but beta people got screwed
according to what Blizzard told them
.
(For the record, I didn't sign up for AP)
I don't see how they were screwed; they will get into Beta, as the waves go out: I was in the second wave of invites, and happy. Yes, it would have been nice at Blizzcon for them to put out the entire reasoning for how people would get in....but they didn't know at that time how many there would be.
I didn't say they were screwed. Reading it a bit more carefully without putting words into my mouth, you'd see that I said they
feel
screwed, and in my opinion they have every right to feel that way. Moreover, they shouldn't have to put up with people calling them whiners because they took Blizzard at its word.
Second, The information page "and beta access will go live with the beta launch"
Third, "You'll get guaranteed access when beta goes live."
Please tell me how anyone can interpret that differently. Taken as it's written, it means AP players get instant beta access.
Had anything been said beforehand (as publicly as the other announcements, at the
least
) that Blizzard intended to release invites in waves, it would justify calling people whiners.
Edit:
Can someone whose life has been totally destroyed by Blizzard please show me where in the AP agreement it says INSTANT access?
I barely read the agreement initially, The info I did read was fairly self explanatory and I was under no illusion that Beta access meant beta access, and not instant access.
I will definitely admit that failing to read the contract and/or misinterpreting it has caused some of the problem, but maybe Blizzard shouldn't engage in bait-and-switch tactics.
Post by
Adamsm
I didn't say they were screwed. Reading it a bit more carefully without putting words into my mouth, you'd see that I said they feel screwed, and in my opinion they have every right to feel that way. Moreover, they shouldn't have to put up with people calling them whiners because they took Blizzard at its word.I know you didn't say, but I still don't get how they feel that way; even when you look at the quotes in regards to the AP, it doesn't say 'instant' access, so those who thought they should receive a Beta Pass as soon as the servers were open did misread and projected what they thought should happen.
Also, I haven't been disagreeing in regards to Blizzard clarifying the stuff earlier: But even now, with all the information out there, there are still people who say they should get instant access no matter what, just because they signed up for the pass; those people to me are still whining.
Post by
TheReal
(iii) flag the Account so that you will automatically receive an invite to the beta test for the next World of Warcraft expansion product.
You ARE going to automatically receive an invite. That is, you don't have to do anything extra to get an invite. Where are you getting 'instant' from?
Cheers.
when beta goes live
If Blizzard meant "at some point during the beta," that's what Blizzard should have communicated.
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