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Moroccan girl commits suicide after being forced to marry her rapist
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Monday
I started reading the whole bottom paragraph, then realized that it said the same thing over and over.
Post by
MyTie
I started reading the whole bottom paragraph, then realized that it said the same thing over and over.
Victory is mine!
Post by
gamerunknown
not bother trying to argue for human rights.
The thing is, you're trying to conflate an abuse of human rights as a result of a religious judiciary. *
Can Exodus be held accountable for slavery?
Edit: No one has argued anything other than that the ruling was reprehensible. You introduced the political dimension by needlessly blaming Islam for the travesty. Nobody here can plausibly help fight such a law other than by drawing attention to it (well, my sister is going to go volunteer in Morocco so she could have a more direct influence).
Post by
donnymurph
Why did I open this thread? Reading this tripe makes me wants to gouge my eyes out.
Post by
MyTie
not bother trying to argue for human rights.
The thing is, you're trying to conflate an abuse of human rights as a result of a religious judiciary. *
Can Exodus be held accountable for slavery?
Edit: No one has argued anything other than that the ruling was reprehensible. You introduced the political dimension by needlessly blaming Islam for the travesty. Nobody here can plausibly help fight such a law other than by drawing attention to it (well, my sister is going to go volunter in Morocco so she could have a more direct influence).
Did you read this?
Post by
gamerunknown
I've read the same article with minor amendments a few times. That one just conflates Islamic with Moroccan because of the
political allegiances
of the paper and their
average readership
.
Otherwise it's pretty much a carbon copy of the version on the
Al-Jazeera website
, which in turn probably got most of the info off AP or Reuters.
Post by
MyTie
I've read the same article with minor amendments a few times. That one just conflates Islamic with Moroccan because of the
political allegiances
of the paper and their
average readership
.
Otherwise it's pretty much a carbon copy of the version on the
Al-Jazeera website
, which in turn probably got most of the info off AP or Reuters.
And
this one
, and
this one
?
This one
also mentions it. As does
this one
. How many different perspectives of this duck must I provide before you stop insisting that there is no duck?
Post by
gamerunknown
Your first link was in 2005, the second has this:
This inhuman law in Morocco has no basis in Islam or the Qur’an. And to shield the criminal by marrying his victim is even more inhuman: the Sharia is against it.
Sharia is Arabic for "law" , so Sharia law is a bit redundant. I have no doubt that it is hideously misogynistic and perpetuates scenarios like these, as do all reactionary and hostile approaches to women's sexuality. However, this specific law was not a Sharia law. There are plenty of terrible laws consistent with Sharia. This wasn't one of them.
Post by
MyTie
Your first link was in 2005, the second has this:
This inhuman law in Morocco has no basis in Islam or the Qur’an. And to shield the criminal by marrying his victim is even more inhuman: the Sharia is against it.Which is what I've been saying for how many pages now? I predicted this would be your argument. I knew it would be. Remember? Then gamer will tell me that I can't say it is Islam because nothing in the Koran justifies this. At that point I'll post that I'm being critical of a judicial system that came out of religion, but may not be a good representation of the religion, and that his argument is a distraction from my actual point.I'd like to take this moment to predict that you'll make this point again in the future, and probably before page 6 of this debate. You're argument style is reminiscent of the sound of a woodpecker.Sharia is Arabic for "law" , so Sharia law is a bit redundant. I have no doubt that it is hideously misogynistic and perpetuates scenarios like these, as do all reactionary and hostile approaches to women's sexuality. However, this specific law was not a Sharia law. There are plenty of terrible laws consistent with Sharia. This wasn't one of them.It is Sharia law (or Sharia, wtf ever). It isn't properly Islamic, and thus is likely improperly applied Sharia. You're point is noted. However, this is a group of religious people who identify as Islamic, and identify the law they are using as Sharia. You can argue the point that they are wrong all day long. This STILL doesn't change the point that this is commonplace among people who have Sharia, whether proper or improper, as the law of the land in their country. It needs to change.
Post by
gamerunknown
Page 1: "it is rooted in religious Islamic law."
Me: No it isn't
Page 5: Did you read this?
Me: That's what I said...
Page 5: I've been saying for several pages that it isn't rooted in Islamic law, but these people claim to be Muslims and claim to be using Sharia. By the way, why are you so repetetive?
Post by
MyTie
It is rooted in Islam, and it bills itself to be Islamic Law or Sharia. It may not be accurate, but it IS religious, even if inaccurate. This isn't just my opinion. I've offered you sources on this.
I never said "These Muslims are doing this and it's because of Islam". There seems to be a big difference between the Koran, the Islamic religion, and the application of Sharia. I recognize that difference. It doesn't seem that you do. Like I said, perhaps 4 times now... you are tripping over the issue in your rush to defend Islam. No one is attacking Islam itself. I've never billed the Koran as an unholy book that should be burned and Muslims should be ashamed.
A caricature for you:
Me: That application of Catholic law is horrible, and shouldn't be done.
gamer: It isn't Christian because the Bible doesn't say it.
Me: What does that have to do with it? Your in such a hurry to defend Christianity that you are glossing over some horrible application of Catholic Law.
gamer: It isn't Christian.
Me: Fine. But, the self proclaimed Christian Catholics, during their poor impersenation of Christianity are doing something wrong. They should be stopped.
gamer: You can't say it is Christian.
Me: I'm not saying they are or are not accurately practicing the Bible. That isn't my point.
gamer: But you see, they aren't accurately practicing the Bible.
Me: I never said they were. I bet that you make that point again anyway.
gamer: You can't say they are Christian though.
Me: I told you that you would make that argument again.
gamer: You said that they were being good Christians, and I'm saying they aren't.
Me: You sound a bit like a woodpecker.
gamer: You can't say they are being good Christians.
Me: I give up.
And I truly do. Any criticism of the Middle East, and the Islamic world is met with multi-cultural absurdities and defense of Islam. Doesn't really matter how many women are lawfully raped, or how many men drown their own kids. We get a history lesson about how horrible long dead people were, or how this is a natural part of society. It's disheartening, to even see this sort of argument being made. Am I the only one who sees this for what it is? If you do see it, why not just agree with me and be done? If not... if you honestly see no issue with what is being billed as "Sharia" throughout Billions of repressed citizens, then just say so. I have no heart to make the point again, nor any desire to pretend otherwise.
Post by
gamerunknown
Ok fine, I'll cede it. It's Sharia. It's not technically based in the Koran but Muslims are doing it and they hate women and it's a Sharia court.
To argue otherwise would be defending Islam in the name of multiculturalism.
But equally huge numbers of children have been killed by Christians in Uganda, because they are practicing the Christian tradition of kidnapping children and using them to murder their political opponents, which I'm fairly sure was in Luke.
You even said so yourself
. If you're defending them for that you're just doing Shruggery and Multiculturalism and quack quack quack quack.
Post by
Jubilee
I blame the unnatural focus on institution over individual, but the act and the response.
Post by
1026559
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1026559
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Post by
MyTie
Ganerunknown:) i see again how you have no idea of what you're talking about, i have a small question for you, out of curiosity: Have you ever been in morocco? if the answer is no, you need to get to work immediately in order to save your soul from a total ignorance, the problem in morocco is that the heads of the country are trying desperately to follow the western example and forgot completely the sacred book that says: 'O My servants who have transgressed against your own souls:
do not despair of God's mercy,
for God forgives all sins.
It is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful.'
Qur'an (39:53)
Welcome to Wowhead's Off-Topic. You are the second Muslim (that I'm aware of) to grace these forums. I'd love to have a debate with you about the tenants of Islam, but I'm afraid I'm not around enough to make it into a discussion.
Good luck and welcome! Introduce yourself in
this
thread.
Post by
gamerunknown
Well, thanks for the comments. Do you think the decision of the judge was based on Islamic law? Do you agree with his decision?
My sister just returned from volunteering in Morocco. She said the men were rather lecherous and attempted to touch her fairly often, despite her wearing rather conservative garb.
Edit: I've never been to Africa though.
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