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A Civil Conversation About Multi Boxing in PvP.
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Post by
hatman555
This thread is a second chance for people to discuss this topic. As such, failure to keep a civil discussion in this thread will result in a quicker reaction by me. ^_^ Thanks!
What you need to know about Multiboxing:
Term used to denote one user playing multiple accounts simultaneously.
This can be done using one or more machines.
This is
NOT
botting and as such does not violate Blizzard's EULA, ToUA, or ToS
It is a game play style accepted by Blizzard
All accounts are separate from each other and all pay subscription fee's
Pro's for MultiboxingCon's agaist Multiboxing
Multiboxer has fun
Change in Gameplay
Effective against random groups
Higher chance of wining in random groups
Vaunralablilty to corrdinated attacks in 1 vs. 1+n siutations.
Disadvantage against multiboxers in random groups
Unexpected change in gameplay
Anger at quick deaths or impossible 1 vs. 1+n situations
Con's for MultiboxingPro's agaist Multiboxing
Multiboxer pays multiple subscriptions for equal amount of fun
Additional money needed for Software/Hardware
Additional money needed for advanced computer/multiple computers
Lack of individual control
Less Potencial synergy between characters
Hated by affected players
Understanding of player movement
Vaunrability to corrdinated strikes
Vaunrability to change in habbits
Satisfaction of FP$ ratio
Satisfaction of victory in 1 vs. 1=n situations
My thoughts on Multiboxing:
While never Multibox-ed myself, if given the opportunity to experience it, I would. After 4 years of playing WoW, and experiencing many levels of PvP, I would really like to try something different. The only reason I have not done so yet, is because I have a very strict relationship with my wallet and would not pay for the extra subs.
In the PVE world I knew a mage once that would Multibox with 2 other mage accounts following him. I would tank 5 man dungeons with him and a healer friend. It was great to watch how he overcame challenges. He did it because he wanted nothing more than a change in game play. He said he was loving every moment of it.
In the PVP world I have encountered a couple of Multiboxing teams. I usually PVP in pre-mades, where 75%+ of people in the group are from the same guild, and are in vent together. Pre-mades DESTROY Multiboxers. There is always the initial reaction of "omg 2 of us just ran into the 8 shaman group and got destroyed" moment, but after that we adapt to the situation and start running around as a group as well, and dealing with the Boxers. CC's, Fears, traps, anything that changes how the group is positioned can be devastating to a multiboxer. Now half of the shamans are out of range. What once was a 8v8 is now a 4v8. While skills can be duplicated through key commands, adaptations to changes in location are harder to deal with.
Pre-made group > Boxing team > Random Group.
I would say that the percentage of pre-mades is far greater than the percentage of Boxers.
I can see how it's frustrating when you're not playing in a pre-made, but so is playing against a pre-made if not in one either. Despite the rampant claims of dissatisfaction, blizzard cares about players money as well. Money from 1 guy paying 5 accounts is the same as the money from 5 accounts. If they feel like Boxing is a problem enough to drive away customers they would do something about it. That's just common sense for a company.
Anyways, those are my two cents
I'm going to step away from this for a while, and come back and post later. Lets remember the mistakes of the past and work towards a better conversation.
Cheers,
Hat
Post by
asakawa
I think multiboxing is fine.
Post by
682479
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Azazel
I think multiboxing is fine.
Post by
870547
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Post by
Nathanyal
You can say it's not botting but it is. The player is
not
controlling all the toons, they are using a program to control the rest of the team.
But the program isn't playing the toons for him, that is what botting is. He is pressing a button and through the use of the program a similar button is being pressed for the other toons. But unless they press the button nothing will happen.
Post by
Adamsm
You can say it's not botting but it is. The player is
not
controlling all the toons, they are using a program to control the rest of the team.
But the program isn't playing the toons for him, that is what botting is. He is pressing a button and through the use of the program a similar button is being pressed for the other toons. But unless they press the button nothing will happen.
This; the player only uses the program to slave all the accounts together, so that he can hit specific buttons to make the toons all attack/heal/what have you at the same time. It's like the guy who has 32 accounts and is his own raid group: If multi-boxing counted as botting, he wouldn't have been mildly famous and get recognized by Blizzard.....he just would have been banned.
Post by
870547
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Post by
Monday
I'm fine with multiboxing. If they're going to pay for more accounts/hardware, and it's not violating any rules, let them do what they want.
Post by
Nathanyal
You can say it's not botting but it is. The player is
not
controlling all the toons, they are using a program to control the rest of the team.
But the program isn't playing the toons for him, that is what botting is. He is pressing a button and through the use of the program a similar button is being pressed for the other toons. But unless they press the button nothing will happen.
He's pressing a button and a computer program in turn is doing further work for him. Your argument is like trying to justify mining bots after the user taps one node. "Well he already mined one node, the program is just doing something similar for the rest of the nodes."
But what I'm saying isn't an argument, its what is happening. If he doesn't press anything, those toons would just stand there. For it to be considered botting the person would have to be away from the computer yet their toon is still doing something.
That is nothing like a mining bot. For that the computer makes the players run around mining without any interaction from a real person in real time.
Post by
Interest
I think multiboxing is fine.
I also concur. Heck, in fact, when I see a multiboxer I smile then proceed to aoe CC them and watch the chaos...
Btw, hat, you may wanna fix the spelling in your post a bit =).(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##hatman555##DELIM##I said keep the conversation civil Interest! Point out my spelling mistakes is a low blow!!! =P
Post by
Deepthought
He's pressing a button and a computer program in turn is doing further work for him.If I were to setup five, seperate computers to respond the button presses from one wireless keyboard, and used that to multi-box, would you have an issue with it? The end result would be the same, and it would require no special software.
Post by
Jaspirac
Ran into my share of multi boxers in pvp, and the only group that really pissed me off was the pair (could've been 3) rogues (never really saw them) that camped the flag carrier in a twin peaks bg. The 8 shaman or 4 dks- you can see the one shot coming and run. Rogues? You'll be lucky if you see them before you die.
Post by
Poolie72
Well it seems my original post got a few people talking, all be it a bit to nasty. Thanks Hatman for opening this up again as I can see it’s sell relevant to a lot of players.
I’ve read all the posts about Multi boxing, some of the Pro one do give good arguments, but I’m still convinced that Mutli Boxing is unfair play.
The MB I’ve seen all have the same name. So 8 Shammy’s all with the same name. The MB hasn’t levelled all 8 separately, He’s levelled 1 then copied it 8 times. All 8 have the same gear. So for example he gets
Cataclysmic Gladiator's Energy Staff
on one of his Chars, then the other 7 also get it. This has to be cheating.
I could be soooo wrong here, but if a char is copied 7 times then his gear is copied 7 times ?
Post by
Adamsm
The names aren't identical; all of them have a different symbol over at least one of the letters; and they don't make copies, they get that gear on their 'own'; probably have a macro set up to make sure all of them buy the same piece of gear.
Post by
Deepthought
Well it seems my original post got a few people talking, all be it a bit to nasty. Thanks Hatman for opening this up again as I can see it’s sell relevant to a lot of players.
I’ve read all the posts about Multi boxing, some of the Pro one do give good arguments, but I’m still convinced that Mutli Boxing is unfair play.
The MB I’ve seen all have the same name. So 8 Shammy’s all with the same name. The MB hasn’t levelled all 8 separately, He’s levelled 1 then copied it 8 times. All 8 have the same gear. So for example he gets
Cataclysmic Gladiator's Energy Staff
on one of his Chars, then the other 7 also get it. This has to be cheating.
I could be soooo wrong here, but if a char is copied 7 times then his gear is copied 7 times ?
Unless I've missed a major change somewhere, you can't "copy" (as in, duplicate) a character.
Post by
Poolie72
Seems I was wrong on this point then about copying a char. but for me MB is still unfair play and cheating, anyone controlling more than 1 char at once is in my view (and that's the point here) it's just not cricket !
Post by
682479
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
slasher0161
I'm fine with multiboxing for the following reasons.
Multiboxing is a playstyle choice, its different not really over or underpowered in any regard it has its strengths which are exacerbated through disorganized play which is often seen in random bg's. However on the flip side it is also very very weak against organized play, if able to separate the several characters apart it can completely ruin the multiboxer for a while as rounding up that many toons is a right pain at best.
I also have dabbled with controling multiple accounts and let me assure you it isn't easy, if you really wish to knock it you can create as many free trial accounts as you wish now days that don't have a time limit. Go ahead make some and try operate 5 toons at once, please report back how it worked out for you i'm interested to hear. I actually look at a good multiboxer with a fair level of respect, yes if they are winning it might be annoying however next time a multiboxer is winning step back and appreciate what it takes to effectively control multiple accounts.
The final point I have for multiboxers is they fuel their respective servers economy, think about it every time they get a new piece of gear their other 4 or so accounts will likely get the same piece (hp and jp gear). That is anywhere between 5 and 15 gems and 5 enchants that they need instantly, on the other hand a 'normal' player can fill out 'nearly' a full set of gear with that same amount of gems and enchants.
TL;DR If your going to hate on anything hate on legitimate bots not just realtime keystroke mimic programs.
Post by
Astygia
He's pressing a button and a computer program in turn is doing further work for him.
Guess someone better let blizz know that anyone who uses macros is actually botting.
Bots play the game for you...boxing is basically a big macro.
Blizz isn't changing their minds on the subject, deal with it.
MBoxing is fine.
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