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Calling all Tanks! What do you do in this situation?
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Post by
Porcell
I've been leveling up a tank but I find it a little irritating when I get into an instance and a mage, hunter, warlock (etc) start pulling mobs. I've even said that I will always be happy to pull many more mobs but I don't want them pulling in front of me. What do you other tanks do in this situation? I just can't concentrate when people start doing that! Any advice out there?
Pull faster. Assuming you aren't in a risk of dying, don't "overtank" mobs. If you have a threat lead on what you have, be looking ahead to the next pack and pull before the previous pack is dead. You'll certainly turn the tables when the mages and warlocks are crying for a mana break...
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Post by
e6600
i get pissed off when dpsers pull mobs, but i do the exact same thing when im in their position
its usually because the tank isnt pulling fast enough. if you arent wiping or dying then its fine
Post by
TheReal
I like the idea of accepting the challenge. Figure out what you need to do to hold threat. For my warrior, I always put vigilance on a DPS that pulls ahead of me. Oh you got whacked? Taunt. Again? Taunt. You're going to run into all types on your journey to the level cap, so you might as well learn early how to handle situations where @#$% hits the fan.
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893694
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Post by
Vaystre
I've had this happen and it's very frustrating. I guess the best advice would be to just push through it until you get to the levels where roles matter a bit more. If you enjoy tanking then going through the annoying bit at the start shouldn't deter you.. Good luck!
Post by
deathbyte
I don't know why people get mad when I pull as a DPS... What will it do to you, the tank? All it does is make it harder for the healer... not the tank! I can't understand why EVERY (99%) of the tanks get stressed when I pull.
You must not tank then?.. The tanks are the ones getting blamed when people wipe.
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Post by
Ahrendel
I don't know why people get mad when I pull as a DPS... What will it do to you, the tank? All it does is make it harder for the healer... not the tank! I can't understand why EVERY (99%) of the tanks get stressed when I pull.
Here's some things to consider when you, as a DPS, pulls. Especially in a low level dungeon.
Healer's standing in the back, to the left. Hunter standing in the back, to the right. He pulls mobs before the tank. With his burst on his primary target, mobs get to hunters face. Meanwhile, since healer is doing his thing, he's picked up two adds that went towards him. Now you have split mobs in two or three or four places depending on size of pull.
I've found that sometimes when I run in to start on a pack, a DPS who fires off before me will pull mobs and BAM! They're behind me before I so much as smack one upside the head. It can be a scramble to pick them all up. Remember, taunt works, but unless the tank is there to smack it, it's going right back to whoever is hitting it in the first place most likely.
DPS who do the pulling can potentially make it a very messy pull.
Post by
lonewarrior
I don't know why people get mad when I pull as a DPS... What will it do to you, the tank? All it does is make it harder for the healer... not the tank! I can't understand why EVERY (99%) of the tanks get stressed when I pull.
As a tank all I can say is "QUE WITH ME....PLEEEEEEEASE"
Post by
ikkynikinae
I like to make a innocuous statement first. For me, it's almost always this:
I think traditionally, it's the tank that engages mobs
After that, I will ask
are you new to the game?
.
If they talk like a human being, I will politely reiterate it's tank's role to engage. If they act like an anti-social tool, it's probably best to vote to kick.
Under no circumstances should anyone other than tank engage the mobs! The only exception would be if you ask them to as the tank :)
Can't fix stupid...
Post by
skumbananer
As dk, feral or pally there isnt much you can do when dps goes ADD-mode, try to keep aggro off of healer and tell them to stop. Thats about all you can do.
As a warrior though, you can own that situation. your class is built to handle exactly those types of situations. Paladins might excel at tanking and aoe tanking with a disciplined guild group and has great defensive cds, DKs excels as MTs for HC-raids and have massive self heals, Druids also make pretty darn great tanks in those types of scenarios.
But a warrior, the underdog of raids or serious content, has that ace up his/her bracer...Pug tanking with idiots is the warrior niche.
Three dpsers runs in various directions pulling mobs everywhere? As anything but a warrior you are pretty much forced into cuddling up against the healer and try your aoe moves. But as warrior you have UBER-mobility. Intercept, intervene, charge, heroic leap...you can tank all over the place, gather mobs fast, silence casters and stun.
If your reactions are fast enough, NO amount of dps stupidity can throw you off balance, the only thing that matters is if the healer can keep you up. Prot warriors are built for highly stressful, highly stupid fast paced mobile tanking. Learn to thrive in those scenarios, learn to love daft dpsers...that is our niche, our place to shine.
If your anything but a prot warrior, your pretty much doomed.
Post by
ChairmanKaga
I don't know why people get mad when I pull as a DPS... What will it do to you, the tank? All it does is make it harder for the healer... not the tank! I can't understand why EVERY (99%) of the tanks get stressed when I pull.
Because you're wrong?
It is harder to pull off someone that gains aggro. You have to exceed their threat by 10% before the mob switches targets. As the tank, that's at least 10% more effort I have to expend on one mob to keep it from killing you, instead of focusing on keeping the entire group on me. Effort I wouldn't have to expend at all if you'd just let me take the initial aggro in the first place.
Also, if the healer has to waste effort healing you, that means they're
not
healing me. And expecting the healer to save you is asinine, anyway. In a raid, if you pull as DPS you're most likely getting one-shotted. In a 5-man, you unwisely assume that your healer is competent enough
to
save you if it comes down to it.
So by pulling as DPS, you increase multiple factors that increase the chance of failure. Why do you want to sabotage your own group?
Post by
keyur
I had this problem only once even with my good tanking pace.
Dungeon: Throne of Tides HC
Time: BWD patch
Generally we had to cc those naga healers in PuG. I marked target for quick cc but mage pulled with Pyroblast and keep pulling - fine by me. Next pull was huge room(3 naga healers in total two pack+big guy) with patrolling guy. Pulled whole room and now dps...was fun. 2 dps dead and almost wiped. After it all run goes so smooth without single word.
In simple word- show your best performance with all cooldowns but some mercy on your healer too(if they are not in guild group). Let them panic and lets show them what is actually happening too you when they do ninja pull.
Post by
Magician22773
So by pulling as DPS, you increase multiple factors that increase the chance of failure. Why do you want to sabotage your own group?
It really depends on the actual circumstances of the offence. If we are talking about DPS not paying attention and tab target pulling, or undergeared DPS, or higher level dungeons, or DPS that wants to pull, but expects the tank to taunt of them....then by all means...kick em or let em die. If their actions are causing wipes or even deaths...you have avalid arguement.
But, as I and several others have stated, a DPS of pretty much any class that is decked out in heirloom gear, and has run these dungeons 100's of times is doing nothing more than damaging your epeen by pulling and likely killing a mob before you have a chance to slap it around. If that is the case, and it usually is, just keep on with your pulls and get your goodies. I mean really....many classes can solo the entire instance at level now if they know what they are doing...I don't think 1 mob is going to be an issue.
Post by
GravenTerenas
This is so widespread these days, pretty much every single group I was in from 60-85 had some idiot pulling ahead of me. Mostly I would try to keep up, sometimes though I would just lose patience and drop group. As someone else has said, for a warrior particularly, trying to pick up mobs that someone else has ninja pulled can be a real pain, especially if you find yourself rage-starved at the wrong moment.
I'm planning to level a pally tank soon, and I think I will adopt a zero-tolerance approach for him. If someone pulls in front of me and it wasn't an accident, I'll just leave and go on my way. Will do wonders for my stress levels, and who knows, might even teach someone a little about how not to play in a group (joke).
I'd just like to add, for the benefit of the poster just before me and others: when you join a group you should try to play along with the people in that group. If you feel you can easily solo a dungeon then by all means feel free to do so, but that means actually going to the instance on your own and clearing it alone. Not charging in ahead of a group and expecting them to clear up the mess.
Post by
Problimatic
I honestly don't care (And yes I've leveled every tank and still use these tanks.) It makes things more interesting. Its fun having to charge to the new pack that got pulled and thunderclap, or use your dnd to pick up a far away pack then heart strike cleave the one thats near you. Heck, I have friends that will purposely pull for me in 85 dungeons and then go over vent and say "Tank it, tank it!" It makes things interesting and the run go faster. If no one is dying, and everything in the dungeon is dying fast, I don't see a problem. Now if you misdirect half the instance to the healer, there is a problem. Though yeah, even leveling my priest with RAF, I would often smite/holy fire to pull the next pack as the current one is dying. Made the run go faster and didnt harm anyone.
Post by
AnrDaemon
I don't know why people get mad when I pull as a DPS... What will it do to you, the tank? All it does is make it harder for the healer... not the tank! I can't understand why EVERY (99%) of the tanks get stressed when I pull.
Because they are responsible for a well-being of a whole raid, not just you alone? (Do you feel pleased with kids run off, when you're in charge with overseeing school's excursion?)
And they may know something you don't. They could be lagging a bit, they could know that healer is AFK/distracted, and pulling right now would be disastrous, and they could even be aware of healer's mana pool...
In short: Do your job, and let someone else do his job. When you play nice to your party - party will be nice to you, too.
Post by
AnrDaemon
Three dpsers runs in various directions pulling mobs everywhere? As anything but a warrior you are pretty much forced into cuddling up against the healer and try your aoe moves. But as warrior you have UBER-mobility. Intercept
Level 50.
intervene
Level 72
charge, heroic leap
Level 85
...you can tank all over the place, gather mobs fast, silence casters and stun.
And how it should help me tank Dire Maul on my 45-ish warrior?
Post by
ChairmanKaga
But, as I and several others have stated, a DPS of pretty much any class that is decked out in heirloom gear, and has run these dungeons 100's of times is doing nothing more than damaging your epeen by pulling and likely killing a mob before you have a chance to slap it around. If that is the case, and it usually is, just keep on with your pulls and get your goodies. I mean really....many classes can solo the entire instance at level now if they know what they are doing...I don't think 1 mob is going to be an issue.
If you want to solo the instance, then go
solo
the instance.
You queued for a group, therefore you are expected to function as part of that group.
Those of us trying to actually play the game should not have to suffer through your e-peen flexing.
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