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The Worgen Curse - Hereditary?
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Aimsyr
Either way we'll have to wait until Blizz clarifies whether worgen can reproduce or not in the first place, let alone if baby worgen are insane at birth or not as well as whether or not they are born in their worgen or human form, to get a canon answer.
Indeed, but I still don't see how a baby can be crazy.
Magic? Besides, victims of the curse almost behave like they are possessed as they in essence become a completely different person, so I suppose that would by how.
Personally I still think a baby worgen would not kill its mother at birth though, insane or not.
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Adamsm
And there were others who were killed in there as well that were stuck in the human form so.......yeah, there is still a large number of things that say otherwise to the idea that 'Always a Worgen'. And Metzen has yet to say 100% 'yes they are a new race'.
No there werent, there was no mention of worgen dying in human form in the novel, it made a point of saying that worgen remain in worgen form upon death, didn't say anything else. And metzen referred to worgen as "formerly human" at blizzcon 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAWnRM0lSzE
skip to 0:53.
Go back and read your book Sold; there was a point where some of the Worgens were ambushed and killed as humans, since they died without realizing what was happening. And they are still a human based race, since, one more time now, the entire Gilneas population is not all Worgens.
And a baby can be 'insane'; IE comes out as a Feral worgen.
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Adamsm
And even if the baby was crazy, what would it do? Babies can barely even move their limbs upon birth, what are they gonna do, cry the parents to death?If it has claws and teeth, bite it's way out of momma.
@Adamsm, I didn't see anything in the novel about that. A grand total of 3 gilneans were killed by maive and her underlings, one was a female killed offscreen by accidently getting into a trap set for a highborne, the second was the one I mentioned, and the third was eadrik. All 3 of which were worgen. Unless you can find me the exact wording from the novel, I'm gonna have to say you misread something, because it made a point of noting how the worgen remained in worgen form upon death.
I also want the exact page of it, so I can see for myself.
When I find it again, I will, but I know I saw that. Also, you still seem to be ignoring that in-game does show something different for the Worgen spirit, which shows they aren't as far gone from the human said as you say they are; don't forget, there is another race in Warcraft history called 'former humans': The Forsaken. Also, it's not like it's unheard of for a mutation of a race to still be seen under the main group: The Broken for Draenei, the multi-bodied ogres(the giant ones, the two headed, the one headed), and even the Dwarves have several different types but they all fall under the heading of Dwarf.
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Atik
Adams, you seem to be looking at this wrong.
Feral worgen are not bloodthirsty monsters that kill for sport. They are animals. They hunt and kill when threatened or hungry.
They are also PACK animals at that. And baby would have pack-based instincts. Pack animals don't kill their mothers. They rely on their parents for quite a while in order to survive safely.
Thus, baby feral worgen would be like puppies, maybe with a bit of human thrown in.
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Adamsm
Feral worgen are not bloodthirsty monsters that kill for sport. They are animals. They hunt and kill when threatened or hungry.Um...what? Did you forget where the Feral Worgen are invading Gilneas City at the start of the questing zone, which is what leads Worgen characters being infected.
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Atik
Feral worgen are not bloodthirsty monsters that kill for sport. They are animals. They hunt and kill when threatened or hungry.Um...what? Did you forget where the Feral Worgen are invading Gilneas City at the start of the questing zone, which is what leads Worgen characters being infected.
They could very well have considered the humans to be a threat to their habitat.... which they were......
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Adamsm
I'd suggest reading the Curse of the Worgen comic, since that explains why the Ferals are so vicious and monstrous; between the Ritual that created the Worgens and the original Alpha influence on them, all of the ones who broke out of the Dream were insane rage filled monsters who only wanted to tear and kill anything that got in their way. You saw that in the quests for the original Scythe of Elune quests, as the Sentinel talks about just how vicious they were on the battlefield, right up till they turned on the Night Elves....which is really, mere baby steps compared to what they did during the War of the Satyrs.
Edit: Worgens are not 'natural' animals by any stretch of the word.
They could very well have considered the humans to be a threat to their habitat.... which they were......Gilneas is not their habitat.
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Atik
I'd suggest reading the Curse of the Worgen comic, since that explains why the Ferals are so vicious and monstrous; between the Ritual that created the Worgens and the original Alpha influence on them, all of the ones who broke out of the Dream were insane rage filled monsters who only wanted to tear and kill anything that got in their way. You saw that in the quests for the original Scythe of Elune quests, as the Sentinel talks about just how vicious they were on the battlefield, right up till they turned on the Night Elves....which is really, mere baby steps compared to what they did during the War of the Satyrs.
Except those weren't the same worgen.
Those were druids who became savagekin.
These are humans/other things that got infected with a desiese that turned them into animals.
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Adamsm
Alright, so what does that have to do with the redeemed worgen?
E: They made the city and forest their home.
That the current group are infected from that original one, and are only sane because of the Druid Ritual.
Except those weren't the same worgen.
Those were druids who became savagekin.
These are humans/other things that got infected with a desiese that turned them into animals.
No, actually, that's not even close to being right....at all. The Worgen were created from the Pack Form(not a Savagekin) and a mixture of Goldrinn and the power of Elune; that corruption transformed all of the Pack form users into the Worgen we know now, but they were completely under the sway of the Alpha and wanted to do nothing more then infect all of Night Elf society with the Worgen Curse. And as we saw in the comic, not even Malfurion could control the madness of the Pack form, which is why it was banned from use.
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Atik
The pack form becomming the worgen was effectively what happens to a savagekin. They lost themselves to the form.
But my point still stands, they are two COMPLETELY different species. And the infected worgen lack an alpha.
AND GILNEAS WAS SURE AS !@#$ THEIR HABITAT! They were aimals. That lived there. And were a part of the food chain. THAT MAKES THEM PART OF THE ENVIORMENT.
The humans hunted and killed them, they and the city as a whole were a threat. Thus, the worgen attack in order to defend themselves.
Instincts, they're animals. Not B-movie horror villians.
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Adamsm
A Savagekin is one who chooses to live with nature as part of it, and rarely transforms back into their humanoid form.
A Pack form was a rage filled wolf that attacked friend and enemy without any attempt to see a difference, and nearly impossible to come out of without outside influence(family snapping them back, Priestesses casting spells to wake them up, and Cenarius himself beating down Mal after he attacked the Demi-God).
The pack form becomming the worgen was effectively what happens to a savagekin. They lost themselves to the form.
But my point still stands, they are two COMPLETELY different species. And the infected worgen lack an alpha.Except they were created by the same Curse, and needed Druid assistance to get their minds back under control.
AND GILNEAS WAS SURE AS !@#$ THEIR HABITAT! They were aimals. That lived there. And were a part of the food chain. THAT MAKES THEM PART OF THE ENVIORMENT.There was sealed away criminals who got pulled out of their sleep and went around killing again and spreading the Curse.
The humans hunted and killed them, they and the city as a whole were a threat. Thus, the worgen attack in order to defend themselves.See above.
Instincts, they're animals. Not B-movie horror villians.They are cursed beings who had no control of themselves.
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Atik
Some savagekin are also druids who went feral and lost themselves to the animal.....
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