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Koltira Deathweaver is a Failure
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Post by
clockwork333
This isn't about Sylvanas and how she's never cared about the Forsaken as revealed in her Edge of Night Story.
It's about how Koltira sucks and what she did to him was justified.
Post by
Adamsm
Wasn't justified, since torture just ruins a person and doesn't make them any better.
Post by
Monday
Uh, torture can be justified? News to me.
Post by
killerdinoblood
Torture is a too strong word to describe what happened to Koltira...i'd say he was rather....
'tempered'
.
Sylvanas does care about her people.A Leadder doesnt matter if he is Warchief/Chieftain/Banshee Queen or anything else would use his people for deffence or offense especially in times of war.You simply cant blame her.
Again I say a Holy Nuke doesnt happen everyday.Some Prophet is going to forsee this and tell Sylvanas thus....you know what...
Uh, torture can be justified? News to me.
A Terrorist explodes in a Train Station and his best friend intends to do the same in a plane.However he is cough and is decided that instead of Execution he should be tortured for life.That seems pretty much justified to me...
Post by
210895
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Adamsm
Again I say a Holy Nuke doesnt happen everyday.Some Prophet is going to forsee this and tell Sylvanas thus....you know what...Since when do the Forsaken have prophets...or anyone who can see the future?
And torture is never justified.
Post by
killerdinoblood
Im talking about Horde Prophets who are intelligent enough to know that if the Naaru destroyes a member of the Horde it would mean bad stuff for Orcs/Trolls/Taurens/Goblins/Blood Elves etc.This is why I think the Forsaken will be warned somehow.
Which leads me to think...if the pathetic Naaru are really oh so great why werent they used against The Lich King?I dont remember The Scourge having any Prophets either...were they...I dont know....afraid or anything?
You forget about the Tempest Keep and it's plane shifting engines; they'd be above the Undercity before the Forsaken could realize what's happening.
Even if we assume the pathetic Naaru actually manage to bomb Undercity other Forsaken in other regions will survive and join the Old Gods.
Also,if after my above example you still think torture isnt justified then im done here with the debate over torture as a whole.
Post by
Adamsm
Torture is never justified, at all: contrary to what they show on television and movies, when you torture someone, they rarely if ever tell the truth about things, since all they want to do is just end the pain and will say whatever they think their captor's want to hear, whether it's actually true or not.
Im talking about Horde Prophets who are intelligent enough to know that if the Naaru destroyes a member of the Horde it would mean bad stuff for Orcs/Trolls/Taurens/Goblins/Blood Elves etc.This is why I think the Forsaken will be warned somehow.At the same time though: That would remove a race that doesn't want to work with the rest of the Horde and follow what the Leaders say; and since Sylvanas took a hero of the Blood Elves off well.....
Which leads me to think...if the pathetic Naaru are really oh so great why werent they used against The Lich King?I dont remember The Scourge having any Prophets either...were they...I dont know....afraid or anything?Nope, since A'dal and two other Naaru show up in Northrend to take the one Crusader onto his next rest. They could have attacked and destroyed the Scourge....but then, where would the players fit in? Also, they were still dealing with the problems of Outland and cleaning up there.
Even if we assume the pathetic Naaru actually manage to bomb Undercity other Forsaken in other regions will survive and join the Old Gods.Nah, they'll make sure to bomb all of the Forsaken out.
Post by
killerdinoblood
Do you even realize how much you overate the Naaru?I mean like 10x more then I do Sylvanas or the Old Gods.
And were would players fit in...Is that your excuse?Isnt the tough of Scourge being much more powerful then you assume and Naaru not as strong as you assume creeping in your mind?Im not implying that The Scourge were ever more powerful than the Naaru im just saying that the Naaru are simply powerful not super-mega-omega-alpha-impossible powerful.Just powerful...
And finally,honestly Naaru dont just go around Holy Nuking creatures of the darkness just for fun you know.They have other matters to attend to which are more important than silly old Azeroth.
Torture is never justified, at all: contrary to what they show on television and movies, when you torture someone, they rarely if ever tell the truth about things, since all they want to do is just end the pain and will say whatever they think their captor's want to hear, whether it's actually true or not.
Who is talking about torturing someone for answers?Im saying that if such a terrorist or any other person that has dared to kill/killed people who are close to you should be tortured for the sake of it.He does not deserve the peace of Death.He deserves being immortal and set on fire to burn forever,to forever feel pain.Not for some pathetic answers...no.Rather than punishment for what he has done.I am a person who believes in Heaven & Hell but yet I still believe that Hell isnt enough for the sinful.They should feel suffering while among the Living aswell.
Post by
Adamsm
Do you even realize how much you overate the Naaru?I mean like 10x more then I do Sylvanas or the Old Gods.
And were would players fit in...Is that your excuse?Isnt the tough of Scourge being much more powerful then you assume and Naaru not as strong as you assume creeping in your mind?Im not implying that The Scourge were ever more powerful than the Naaru im just saying that the Naaru are simply powerful not super-mega-omega-alpha-impossible powerful.Just powerful...
And finally,honestly Naaru dont just go around Holy Nuking creatures of the darkness just for fun you know.They have other matters to attend to which are more important than silly old Azeroth.The War of the Light and Shadow, which I see the Forsaken eventually joining the Shadow side, so they'd have to be wiped out anyways. And nope; since I believe the Naaru were created to be the anti-thesis of the Dreadlords, who created necromancy in the first place, so it would make a lot of sense if their energies could burn out the necromancy power and completely obliterate the Undead, be it Scourge or Forsaken; as A'dal said, they couldn't remove the plague but they could make sure the Crusader remained as he was and not raised up as a twisted shell of himself.
Torture is never justified, at all: contrary to what they show on television and movies, when you torture someone, they rarely if ever tell the truth about things, since all they want to do is just end the pain and will say whatever they think their captor's want to hear, whether it's actually true or not.
Who is talking about torturing someone for answers?Im saying that if such a terrorist or any other person that has dared to kill/killed people who are close to you should be tortured for the sake of it.He does no deserve the peace of Death.He deserves being immortal and set on fire to burn forever,to forever feel pain.Not for some pathetic answers...no.Rather than punishment for what he has done.I am a person who believe in Hell but yet I still believe that Hell isnt enough for the sinful.They should feel suffering while among the Living aswell.
Still not justified; revenge only corrupts you: Just kill him and get it over with.
Post by
killerdinoblood
Maybe,just maybe The Forsaken may join the army of the Shadow during the War of Light & Dark and get eventually destroyed but thats in later times.In the current events Sylvanas and the rest of the Forsaken's actions are perfectly justified...especially Sylvanas.
Still not justified; revenge only corrupts you: Just kill him and get it over with.
I...have no words at all.....
Edit:How do you write so fast ? O_O
Post by
Adamsm
No, she's not: She says she's claiming Lordaeron for the Forsaken....if that was true, she wouldn't have moved out of Tirisfal and Silverpine; Gilneas is not part of Lordaeron, Arathi is not part of Lordaeron, Alterac is not part of Lordaeron: She had no issue at all with killing the rulers of those lands and trying to take complete control of them(and for what she did to Galen really shows she doesn't give a &*!@ about anyone else). Her next move would be to try to take Hearthglen and the rest of the Plaguelands, but lucky the Ashbringer is there....did you really think Tirion just happened to choose that spot on a whim? She'd also try to push into the Hinterlands, but at least the Wildhammer clans are reunited now and would show her the might of the Dwarves.
Post by
killerdinoblood
Do you honestly think she can keep Lordaeron safe if she just lets it's Alliance neighbours move in undisturbed?Forget about Sylvanas...do you realize under what preassure ANY Faction Leadder is?They know that to win a war they have to win many battles and lose many battles.They know they have to make sacrifices and not-so much full of moral decisions.And most importantly if one wants to win a war they have to get there hands dirty...and not with some mud or dirt but with blood.Red,pouring sin-bringing blood.
She'd also try to push into the Hinterlands, but at least the Wildhammer clans are reunited now and would show her the
might of the Dwarves
.
Whao...as if that would scare her...
Post by
Adamsm
Since the Forsaken have no real air support, yeah it would.
Post by
killerdinoblood
Since the Forsaken have no real air support, yeah it would.
Good,good.That was truly a nice one...it made me lol.
So...we are talking about air eh?Lets see...hhhmm I dont know.Will it be easy for the big scary Dwarves to breathe in a cloud of Blight?I think not...
Post by
Adamsm
Note KDB: I said Wildhammer Dwarves, as in the gryphon riders with the Stormhammers....you know, the weapons that crash into people then fly back to the hands of the one who threw them? Hard to throw Blight at something in the air, since it would probably just fall back down and kill your own troops.
Post by
killerdinoblood
Oohhh...yeah well,my bad.Are those the ones the Dragonmaw Orcs are hunting?The same Dwarves I get to kill every day for my Daily Quest?
If not (or even if yes for that matter) Sylvanas is a brilliant tactician.Rather she will shoot them one by one with her
perfect
Marskman abilities or just send in the Val'kyr for some '
extra'
troops to the Forsaken Army (joking...Val'kyr can only raise Humans right....)
Post by
Monday
Oohhh...yeah well,my bad.Are those the ones the Dragonmaw Orcs are hunting?The same Dwarves I get to kill every day for my Daily Quest?
You mean those orcs I kill every day for MY daily quest?
(joking...Val'kyr can only raise Humans right....)
Correct.
Sylvanas is a brilliant tactician.Rather she will shoot them one by one with her perfect Marskman abilities
And then what happens when Falstad decides that he's had enough?
Post by
Adamsm
And if Sylvanas was close enough to shoot them with arrows, then the Wildhammers would be close enough to smash her body to pieces with their Stormhammers.
Also, I routinely go in and clear out Dragonmaw orcs so....
Post by
killerdinoblood
Whao,so you 2 are Alliance?Damn,I shouldnt have said I hate Alliance so light-mindedly.
Ok,now that we cleared up the fact that The Banshee Queen & The Forsaken as a whole's actions are justified im not in the mood to debate over are the Forsaken stronger than Wildhammer Dwarves.
What is likely to happen is a big war going on between the 2 Factions and im just gonna post-around how cool Sylvanas is and how she is going to win while you 2 are like
'No chance go-GO FALSTAD!'
However im by no means saying that this
Forsaken-Dwarf
war is impossible since seeing as how Blizzard has decided to ruin the best faction's reputation anything could happen with our beloved undead.
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