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557473
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Post by
Adamsm
a line they fed us to instill fear of the terrorist bogeyman in America
I think that terrorism has been used by politicians for political gain, and unnecessarily invasive legislation. However, your insinuation is that the terrorism isn't real, as if it is just a bogeyman. That's the other end of the spectrum from the politician who uses the fear to his advantage. There isn't NOTHING to fear, but there isn't EVERYTHING to fear.
MyTie, read the whole thing he said rather then focusing on that; the Patriot Act was shoe horned in by buzz words from politicians who wanted to get around a large number of human rights; after all, under the Act, any government agent can just enter your home without a proper search warrant and arrest you just on 'suspicion' with no actual evidence to back it up.
Post by
ChairmanKaga
He did not say that.
I didn't say that, but actually, he's not too far off from what I'm thinking.
I think that terrorism has been used by politicians for political gain, and unnecessarily invasive legislation. However, your insinuation is that the terrorism isn't real, as if it is just a bogeyman.
Yeah, so where is it? We've been warned for 10 years to prepare for the other shoe to drop, and politicians have been using that to erode our rights on a daily basis, giving us jedi hand-waves and telling us it's for our protection, telling us that the next sensational attack is right around the corner. We watched eleventy billion tapes of Osama telling us our cities would burn in righteous fire and the streets would run red with our blood, and not in some conceptual religious vision future -- like,
next week
.
And yet it hasn't happened. Because it won't. Because it was never going to. It was a fraudulent bill of goods sold to us by both parties -- the terrorists wanting to posture, and the politicians wanting to capitalize.
9/11 was not the opening of the terrorist floodgate. It was sheer dumb luck. It was a critical mass of random factors and individual errors that they will never be able to replicate. We gave these cavemen far more credit than they deserved. The politicos took advantage of it to build an environment of fear, and most of us bought it -- hook, line, sinker, rod, reel, and half of the dock. For all our fear, all we got in return from the terrorists was a couple of chumps that got beat up by the fat guy in the seat next to them on the airplane (chumps that our $1 trillion worth of airport security missed completely), and some random shootings that weren't any different from what home-grown American crazy people and/or street gang members have done before. In essence, it has remained
status quo
. On their own, the terrorists are, and have always been, nothing.
But now we have the confluence of all the worst factors -- terrorist foot soldiers combined with rogue nation-states with near-infinite funds, and enough insanity between them all to launch attacks on other nations. UN sanctions won't be fixing that.
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557473
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Post by
ChairmanKaga
1) Foot soldiers appear because of poverty people have no where to go and fighting for cash is the only source of decent income. If all the money that nations spend on war with terrorism went to fight poverty and bring education, it would have been more efficient.
Do you really think this is the problem over there? I guarantee if you built everyone in the Middle East a two-bedroom house and gave them all reasonable jobs, you'd still have terrorism. Osama had millions of dollars in family money, and yet there he was --
spearheading
the whole thing, no less.
These people are
mad
.
Crazy.
You are dealing with a hardline religious ideology that views Western culture as a threat to their very existence. It is effectively no different than the extreme right here in the US telling us that gay marriage and abortion is going to bring about the Mayan apocalypse or whatever the hell they think.
You can't fix crazy with diplomacy and handouts.
Post by
gamerunknown
These people are mad. Crazy.
Angry, yes. Crazy? Well, to a degree. Their premises are wrong but their conclusions follow from their premises. Saudi Arabians attacked America in retaliation for what they see as Israeli war crimes in an attempt to prevent American support for Israel. Of course, the idea that committing terrorist atrocities will somehow be effective rather than incendiary is pretty nuts.
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557473
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Post by
MyTie
your insinuation is that the terrorism isn't real
Yeah, so where is it?
Here
is a link to a compiled list of terrorist activities. The most recent was on 2/15/12 (which is today) in which 1 person was killed and 3 were injured when Sunni police opened fire on a Shia religious festival in Saudi Arabia. There was 1 attack yesterday, 3 the day before, 1 the day before that, 4 the day before, etc etc etc. Apparently there has only been 6 be-headings in the last couple of weeks. I guess it's been a bit slow. A 2 year old and an 8 year old made the list for these weeks, though. It's interesting that all this has happened between your post and my post.
You must live with your head in the ground if you don't see that terrorism exists around the world. I guess you live in a cushioned imaginary utopia. A perfect bubble of your own construction. Sorry to pop it like that for you.
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557473
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Levarus
1) Foot soldiers appear because of poverty people have no where to go and fighting for cash is the only source of decent income. If all the money that nations spend on war with terrorism went to fight poverty and bring education, it would have been more efficient.
Do you really think this is the problem over there? I guarantee if you built everyone in the Middle East a two-bedroom house and gave them all reasonable jobs, you'd still have terrorism. Osama had millions of dollars in family money, and yet there he was --
spearheading
the whole thing, no less.
These people are
mad
.
Crazy.
You are dealing with a hardline religious ideology that views Western culture as a threat to their very existence. It is effectively no different than the extreme right here in the US telling us that gay marriage and abortion is going to bring about the Mayan apocalypse or whatever the hell they think.
You can't fix crazy with diplomacy and handouts.
Stereotyping = Bad.
It's easy to look down on a people who have lived in poverty for their whole life on the other side of the Atlantic crazy. I'm sure if it were the other way around and the Middle East were the police of the world and soldiers walked through the streets in you're city, knocking on you're door every week to look for bombs or any suspicious activity you would get a little upset too.
You must have a balanced approach, try looking at the people you're calling crazy's point of view, instead of instantly jumping to conclusions and calling an entire group of people crazy.
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MyTie
Took look around your link. It is incredibly biased, takes out bits and pieces without analysis in context. Besides, if Jesus said that "god loves everyone" (check comparison between Islam and Christianity), why did Church burn down so many people at some point? The point is that all religions have their dark periods, and for both Islam and Christianity, they fall for the same age of religion (Christianity founded in I century, dark period XV-XVI centuries; Islam founded in VI-VII century, dark period XX-XXI centuries, so 14 or 15 centuries of age for both religions) Therefore I conclude that it is just a phase.
You cannot brand every Muslim as terrorist for deed of few. Same thing as blaming MyTie for burning of Bruno.
You'd have to find where I said that every Muslim is a terrorist. This is just a complied list of terrorist activities, and only those from adherents to Islam. I'm sure there are even more around the world that don't have anything to do with Islam. The only reason I brought it up was because Kaga was under the impression there was no terrorism in the world. This was just the most thorough list I could find of current terrorist activities.
But, whenever I point out how violent islamist militants are, there is always someone that has to do the obligatory "Christians murdered people too" lecture, as if that matters. This isn't some sort of judgment against a religion as it is those who profess to follow that religion. Ask yourself if you think that Syria needs to stop murdering its civilians. If you do, then you should look at the history of your OWN country (I don't care which country that is, as they ALL have), and how your own country murdered civilians in the past. Now, are you any less convinced that Syria needs to stop murdering its civilians? I doubt it, and you'd be right not to be less convinced. Murder is bad. Terrorism is bad. I don't care what Catholics did 600 years ago. Them being wrong doesn't make Islamist extremists more right today, and it gets on my nerves when people bring it up, as if to be equal we need to all be wrong. No. To be equal they need to abide by the same rules.
The terrorist bombers with the corpses of children spattered on the walls are wrong
. They are wrong. Do you understand that? That is wrong. Period. Don't give me a history lesson to argue against it. I'm never going to buy that as some sort of cushion for morality. They are wrong and they always will be as long as they keep it up.
Without fail, whenever I point out some Islamic radicals that killed people, someone, quite by reflex, jumps up and down about how not all Islamics are like that and Christians killed people too. And, every time that this argument is brought up, I will shoot it down as irrelevant. It doesn't address anything I brought up. In fact, it doesn't address my argument because I have no argument. It is a statment of FACT. Islamic militants killed people. They did. Don't argue against it or try to give a history "gloss over" of it. It disturbs me. The second I say "all Muslims are violent" then you can make your argument, because it will then be pertinent. Amazingly, I haven't heard ANYONE make that argument ANYWHERE, but the rebuttle to that mystical argument is made every time I'm in one of these discussions. I roll my eyes every time. I literally roll them at the screen.
Post by
ChairmanKaga
The only reason I brought it up was because Kaga was under the impression there was no terrorism in the world.
Wow. That is so outrageously far off from what I wrote, I'm now wondering if you even bother to read posts in here before replying. You seem to have this incredible knack for ignoring what people write,
injecting your own imaginative script in its place
, and then arguing against that.
Post by
MyTie
your ... imaginative
Thanks!
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557473
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Post by
MyTie
The end of the world comes when Israel attacks Iran. :3
The simplified version is the best:
KKK was guys in sheets.
WW1 happened when someone died
Nazis were a political party
The moon is a big rock
Not misleading at all.
Post by
ChairmanKaga
Here
is a link to a compiled list of terrorist activities. The most recent was on 2/15/12 (which is today) in which 1 person was killed and 3 were injured when Sunni police opened fire on a Shia religious festival in Saudi Arabia. There was 1 attack yesterday, 3 the day before, 1 the day before that, 4 the day before, etc etc etc. Apparently there has only been 6 be-headings in the last couple of weeks. I guess it's been a bit slow. A 2 year old and an 8 year old made the list for these weeks, though. It's interesting that all this has happened between your post and my post.
How about, instead of taking the first sentence I wrote out of context and responding to the point you
wish
I'd made, you read the next three
paragraphs
and respond to the point I
actually
made. Or do you honestly just read one sentence and hit reply right there?
I made the point "massive terrorist attacks are not imminent and we are idiots for believing they were". You somehow read that as "terrorism in any form does not exist anywhere" and you keep trying to run with it. I cannot rightly apprehend the sort of confusion of ideas that leads you to this line of thought.
Really, those numbers just
prove
my point -- even in the areas of the world closest to terrorism, these people are impotent, no more than run-of-the-mill gangbangers and street thugs. If those terrorist activities were happening in America, they would barely be a blip in the FBI's violent crime statistics.
They are not worth spending trillions of dollars to stop.
They never were.
Our government told us all about the untold armies of sleeper cell terrorists just waiting to set off nukes and anthrax in our major cities, to scare us into letting them steal power that never belonged to them. Those threats have never materialized, and it is not because our glorious government silently stopped them all -- it is because they simply
never existed
. We traded our liberty for safety that was never really in question. Benjamin Franklin
said something about that
once.
You must live with your head in the ground if you don't see that terrorism exists around the world. I guess you live in a cushioned imaginary utopia. A perfect bubble of your own construction. Sorry to pop it like that for you.
That's cute. As noted above, you have wasted your time arguing a point that
no one was making
.
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301983
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Post by
Aimsyr
Breaking News
There have been tensions recently, extreme tensions between Syria/Russia and Turkey for the
demolition
of an turkish aircraft simply because they did not follow the rules of not flying in Syrian areas.
Articles:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey-defence/189430-syrian-airdefences-shot-down-turkish-plane-7.html
http://article.wn.com/view/2012/06/23/Turkey_warns_it_would_respond_decisively_to_Syria_downing_it/
Videos:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xrptke_syria-shot-down-turkish-aircraft_news#from=embediframe
I am very afraid of that's how the WW3 is gonna start
And this would start WW3 how? I can see it starting a war, yes, but this sort of thing isn't exactly anything new - especially not for that part of the world.
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