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Post by
Artaios
...who down rate comments so we can see exactly who the pathetic children are that run around down rating perfectly good, helpful and viable comments.
I see a tremendous amount of this going on here and feel as if their voting anonymity was stripped, there would be a major decline in such lame behavior.
I'm to the point where I just don't feel like contributing anymore. Just to have some tool come along and down rate my work.
Also put in place a system enabling others to give a negative mark to these offenders with an accumulation limit that results in an account ban.
/rant off, I'm sick of ingrates.
Post by
Nulgar
Ahum... not that Wowhead would ever do that, even if the downvotes in question were malicious, but:
perfectly good, helpful and viable comments
if you mean those comments on
Nightslayer Armor (Recolor)
and its items that basically just stated what was listed on the transmog set page already, then it was me who downvoted them and put them up for vote-deletion. Because they are totally unnecessary.
Post by
hatman555
By chance is the the Cape of
XXXXX
comments that are getting voted down?
To be honest mate. I don't see how that comment adds much. There is a "
see also
" right above the item.
I don't know, maybe they wouldn't get voted down if you put a little more description in the comments, besides the single word "horde" and "alliance".
I haven't downvoted them, and I won't because I don't feel like that would solve anything at this point. But to me, they just look a bit spammy. =/
Cheers,
Hat
Post by
hatman555
if you mean those comments on
Nightslayer Armor (Recolor)
and its items that basically just stated what was listed on the transmog set page already, then it was me who downvoted them and put them up for vote-deletion. Because they are totally unnecessary.
Sorry for double post, but I didn't read this while I was posting. I like
Artaios's comment
on this page. I feel like if all the transmoge pages had some sort of "shopping list" it would be a great an helpful thing. Its also nice that he put all the items in a comparison, because personally, I don't play a female character, and would be nice to quickly see how it looks on other models.
Voted up +2
Cheers,
Hat
Post by
Nulgar
Its also nice that he put all the items in a comparison, because person, i don't play a female character, and would be nice to quickly see how it looks on other models. See on other models: press "View in 3D".
Remove single items before viewing in 3D: press "Compare" to load the set in the, er, Compare tool, where you can remove/add items.
Even the drop locations are redundant, you can check the individual item pages, or suggest to the devs to have the items in transmog sets also display their source somehow (I'd say the current display of the sets is a WIP anyway, one could imagine several ways to list/portray the items in the sets)
Comments are for things that cannot be displayed by Wowhead, not to summarize things that Wowhead lists one click further. The "Cape" comments, for example, have at least the merit of e.g. helping a new player realize that this cape is available from other city factions as well. I was unsure about those comments, so I didn't vote on them.
Post by
hatman555
"View in 3D".
LOL true true. Can't believe I've missed that button this whole time. *headdesk*
Even the drop locations are redundant, you can check the individual item pages, or suggest to the devs to have the items in transmog sets also display their source somehow (I'd say the current display of the sets is a WIP anyway, one could imagine several ways to list/portray the items in the sets)
Until the devs do make drop locations, which I believed would be a pretty big undertaking. I like a shopping list comment like that.
Comments are for things that cannot be displayed by Wowhead, not to summarize things that Wowhead lists one click further.
Summarizing comments are some of the most highly rated comments on Wowhead. People love when all the information hits them in the face at the same time. You and me, we know the middle mouse button has an actual function, and it doesn't take us much to open a whole bunch of pages to get the information we want. But for the other people, less clicking is better.
The "Cape" comments, for example, have at least the merit of e.g. helping a new player realize that this cape is available from other city factions as well. I was unsure about those comments, so I didn't vote on them.
The Cape comments I would agree, are pretty bad. They don't really do much that the see also tab doesn't do, and while I love quote boxes, they aren't as pretty as they used to be.
Cheers,
Hat
Post by
Sas148
I actually imagine the downvote rape would increase... since if someone downvotes you you'd be inclined to go downvote them etc etc... childish middle school behavior.
Post by
Liquoid
...who down rate comments so we can see exactly who the pathetic children are that run around down rating perfectly good, helpful and viable comments.
I see a tremendous amount of this going on here and feel as if their voting anonymity was stripped, there would be a major decline in such lame behavior.
I'm to the point where I just don't feel like contributing anymore. Just to have some tool come along and down rate my work.
Also put in place a system enabling others to give a negative mark to these offenders with an accumulation limit that results in an account ban.
/rant off, I'm sick of ingrates.
Why on earth are you mad about your reputation count going down?
Wowhead is just a website, rep count is an arbitrary number just like the post count. It's not like the quality of your afterlife is determined by the amount of virtual karma you amassed.
Post by
Nulgar
Until the devs do make drop locations, which I believed would be a pretty big undertaking. I like a shopping list comment like that.Slightly getting offtopic here (well, I started that thread of the conversation) but this is a database website. The devs can access it all they want. It's "simply" some coding to have the server perform a join query and prepare the data for display. Just like the "Source" column in
/items
(it's of course not
that
simple, but the concept itself is simple)
Post by
Sweetscot
I don't see them doing that just for reduced drama's sake...but it wouldn't matter to me if they did. If I downrank something I'll stand by my decision and have no problem with someone wanting to confront me on it. That said there are an awful lot of comments that people think are perfectly good, helpful and viable comments that I disagree with them on. Why would anyone post a comment if they didn't believe it fit that criteria? Just because you, or any other comment author, posts soething you believe in doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you.
Try to read and remember the guidelines of what a good comment is...there are TONS of examples of what not to do all over the site, as well as even more tons and tons of actual good useful comments :)
Also...how did you not expect that on those redundant cape comments?
Post by
Wowpixel
Why on earth are you mad about your reputation count going down?
It's not that a person gets mad per se about down votes, but the consequences of it.
The current driveby down voting -- all at once -- makes me believe there's bots doing this (no way can someone find and downvote 8 comments in 1 minute, otherwise).
The consequence of this is what Wikipedia is facing, less editors are bothering to contribute. It's because it became a serfdom of a few wikilawyer types controlling turf, and that's not a positive environment to contribute.
Post by
Ashelia
Why on earth are you mad about your reputation count going down?
It's not that a person gets mad per se about down votes, but the consequences of it.
The current driveby down voting -- all at once -- makes me believe there's bots doing this (no way can someone find and downvote 8 comments in 1 minute, otherwise).
The consequence of this is what Wikipedia is facing, less editors are bothering to contribute. It's because it became a serfdom of a few wikilawyer types controlling turf, and that's not a positive environment to contribute.
Looking at your downvotes, they were done by a single person. It's not a bot. It looks like they went through your comment page and saw you had made many out of date comments in general, so they targeted you.
The thing is, I don't disagree with their downvotes.
In fact, in the case of most of these complaints, I think the downvotes are
entirely
valid. You're talking about how you soloed an instance as a Holy paladin, and I don't think people need to know that when they go to Molten Core's information page. It's entirely subjective =/
I do, however, disagree with their method--so they are warned for that and their downvotes will be removed.
But in general, caring so much about a downvote isn't worth it. This is a community, so you will get upvotes and downvotes depending entirely on their opinion.(##RESPBREAK##)2##DELIM##Ashelia##DELIM##
Post by
Artaios
After reading through a lot of your own comments and posts I'm seeing some pretty hypocritical people here but that's no surprise.
I'm finished with commenting on anything. It's obvious that unless it's somehow perfect in every way, it's going to be down voted and I simply can't stand people like that. Like I said... ingrates.
Good day
Post by
Wowpixel
In fact, in the case of most of these complaints, I think the downvotes are
entirely
valid. You're talking about how you soloed an instance as a Holy paladin, and I don't think people need to know that when they go to Molten Core's information page. It's entirely subjective =/
That is your subjective opinion true, but I posted what I did to help those who are Holy paladins who wanted to t-r-y to do those things solo. It's not a tank or DPS class (lowest DPS class in the game), and there's many tricks that must be done to do things other classes take for granted. It's to h-e-l-p them. Matter of fact, it was a Holy paladin reply last year on that very thread and all he had to do (with 600 DPS and took 45 minutes back in WotLK!) that made me want to try it myself.
Isn't that the purpose, to help?
@ Artaios, I'm getting the same feeling. I liked the old system where folks could add comments and add nuggets of info to help fellow players who otherwise wouldn't do it as they think it's impossible. This isn't that system anymore.
Post by
Ashelia
In fact, in the case of most of these complaints, I think the downvotes are
entirely
valid. You're talking about how you soloed an instance as a Holy paladin, and I don't think people need to know that when they go to Molten Core's information page. It's entirely subjective =/
That is your subjective opinion true, but I posted what I did to help those who are Holy paladins who wanted to t-r-y to do those things solo. It's not a tank or DPS class (lowest DPS class in the game), and there's many tricks that must be done to do things other classes take for granted. It's to h-e-l-p them. Matter of fact, it was a Holy paladin reply last year on that very thread and all he had to do (with 600 DPS and took 45 minutes back in WotLK!) that made me want to try it myself.
Isn't that the purpose, to help?
@ Artaios, I'm getting the same feeling. I liked the old system where folks could add comments and add nuggets of info to help fellow players who otherwise wouldn't do it as they think it's impossible. This isn't that system anymore.
The system hasn't changed whatsoever, though. There have been no changes--we're not removing the comments. We're not telling you not to post that way (I am just saying I agree with a downvote). It's the community that is downvoting, as it has always been.
I think it'd be way cooler to write a guide on how to solo as a Holy paladin than to post in a DB stub that you *did* solo as a Holy paladin, but that's just me--and how I see things. I've always used comments, long since before I became an employee here, to show either short view points (i.e. this item will be BiS for all casters for the expansion) or to add insight (i.e. in 4.3, this item becomes a new mount available to gnomes).
That's the beauty of Wowhead, however...it's entirely community run in the comments. So if you are getting downvotes, that's on the community, not a change of the system or whatever.
Post by
Ordayc
The thing is, I don't disagree with their downvotes.
...
I do, however, disagree with their method--so they are warned for that and their downvotes will be removed.
Now I'm curious. ;-) What exactly is wrong with that method?
I understand can be difficult to discern reasonable voting from rage-voting in such a case, but I see no reason why it should be prohibited to downvote multiple comments from a single person, in case every single comment by itself should be downvoted (as you suggest). What I find even somewhat disturbing is that you have to "warn" someone who (judging by your statement) genuinely improved the database by downvoting comments that are supposed to be downvoted.
Sometimes, I go through a user's comments in a similar fashion – not out of malice, but simply as a means to go quickly through a list of comments, just like I usually work myself through all comments on a database page. If that person happens to have only bad comments, should I abstain from voting so that I don't harm anyone's feelings (or whatever the reasoning behind it is)? If it happened to me that I were warned for voting and my votes were nullified without being given the chance to explain myself, I'd be pretty disappointed.
Post by
Ashelia
The thing is, I don't disagree with their downvotes.
...
I do, however, disagree with their method--so they are warned for that and their downvotes will be removed.
Now I'm curious. ;-) What exactly is wrong with that method?
I understand can be difficult to discern reasonable voting from rage-voting in such a case, but I see no reason why it should be prohibited to downvote multiple comments from a single person, in case every single comment by itself should be downvoted (as you suggest). What I find even somewhat disturbing is that you have to "warn" someone who (judging by your statement) genuinely improved the database by downvoting comments that are supposed to be downvoted.
Sometimes, I go through a user's comments in a similar fashion – not out of malice, but simply as a means to go quickly through a list of comments, just like I usually work myself through all comments on a database page. If that person happens to have only bad comments, should I abstain from voting so that I don't harm anyone's feelings (or whatever the reasoning behind it is)? If it happened to me that I were warned for voting and my votes were nullified without being given the chance to explain myself, I'd be pretty disappointed.
In this case, the votes were (A) a single user, targeting and (B) all done in ~1 minute. They literally just scrolled through their comments, not really reading or figuring out if all of them were the same problem.
Post by
Wowpixel
The system hasn't changed whatsoever, though.
It has with the incentive to increase drivebys who downvote to get achievement votes.
I've seen a number of threads where someone just went by and downvoted everyone in a thread. It looks ugly, with folks adding comments about why they were downvoted (such downvoters never leave comments, they're in such a hurry to gain +2 points they'd careless in actually improving content).
All the downvotes in this short time (months) left not ONE comment to improve what they're downvoting. In fact I had one that had 5 upvotes, just to be downvoted to below zero, purely by such drivebys. Been here for 2 years, and in that time I got a few downvotes and, yeah, I consider that just someone's opinion. In months of this new revamp with achievements, it's a steady stream of downvotes purely done for achievement votes (as someone wanting to actually improve the system would leave a note --
how about only giving downvoters points if they do?
)
Giving a gun to kids without the training in how to safely use it is irresponsible, too. This point system is very much like that, the point system won't kill people, it can and will stop people from posting comments, though. That's a chilling effect that hurts worse than bullets for a content site.
I understand can be difficult to discern reasonable voting from rage-voting in such a case, but I see no reason why it should be prohibited to downvote multiple comments from a single person, in case every single comment by itself should be downvoted (as you suggest). What I find even somewhat disturbing is that you have to "warn" someone who (judging by your statement) genuinely improved the database by downvoting comments that are supposed to be downvoted.
Driveby downvotes do not improve the content on Wowhead. Not one of those downvotes I got had any helpful comment to improve the content -- not a single "hey, can you add..."
Give kids candy and all they want is to keep getting more to eat, and that's what this current vote system has become -- quick +2 points.
Post by
dslg604t
You get no points from downvoting.
What are you on about?
Post by
Wowpixel
You get no points from downvoting.
What are you on about?
Now.
But they haven't removed YOU getting -2 points, though.
The system is setup to be abused, as zero downvotes had any comments to improve them. This is months of this,
exact same pattern
. This current 8 downvote event highlighted it like no other way could.
Safeguards are not in place, as this current system actually punishes those in adding content.
Get it yet?
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