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Post by
Skreeran
Well if you follow a religion just cause your parents follows it you are pretty retarded.
A person here on Wowhead (might've been Skreeran, unsure) told us that his parents threatened to throw him out of the house if he ever mentioned the possibility of God not being real to his siblings. In a case like that, when you're threatened into staying with a certain religion, there isn't much that can be done about it. And besides, if you
believe
in something, then you do so because YOU believe in it. I do not feel that the parents are "to blame" for that; because in the end, those children believe themselves.Yeah, that was me.
The fact is, the vast majority of religious people get their religion from their parents. That's why Arabs are predominantly Islamic, Indians are predominantly Hindu, Israelis are predominantly Jewish, and Europeans are predominantly Christian. There are exceptions, but most people are taught that their religions is the right one in childhood, and that belief becomes so ingrained in them as they mature.
And @Mytie, I am confused to your meaning by saying there's no evidence for love. Probably because love is an abstract term that means different things to different people.
Do you mean there is no evidence for a powerful emotion people feel towards other individuals they have bonded with? If so, then I disagree. There is plenty of evidence, plainly visible just by watching the behavior of people. Apparently there are chemicals associated with it as well.
Or do you refer to love as a trancendental, supernatural force that flows through people? If so, I would agree. There is no evidence for such a think, and so I don't think that is what love is.
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588688
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Post by
Gone
Well if you follow a religion just cause your parents follows it you are pretty retarded.
No, no. You're 90% (made up stat) of the world's people if you do that.
Im not even gonna get into how stupid you are making yourself sound...
The fact is, the vast majority of religious people get their religion from their parents. That's why Arabs are predominantly Islamic, Indians are predominantly Hindu, Israelis are predominantly Jewish, and Europeans are predominantly Christian. There are exceptions, but most people are taught that their religions is the right one in childhood, and that belief becomes so ingrained in them as they mature.
Can you back that up at all or are you just going by your own assumption of peoples ethnicity and religion?
Post by
Lombax
The fact is, the vast majority of religious people get their religion from their parents. That's why Arabs are predominantly Islamic, Indians are predominantly Hindu, Israelis are predominantly Jewish, and Europeans are predominantly Christian. There are exceptions, but most people are taught that their religions is the right one in childhood, and that belief becomes so ingrained in them as they mature.
Can you back that up at all or are you just going by your own assumption of peoples ethnicity and religion?
People are pretty much just following the herd on the matter of religion, they don't want life to get difficult by looking in to what their religion might be.
Post by
OverZealous
Stuff
And, to add to that, until fairly recently it's been
completely unacceptable, socially
, to not be a muslim in arab countries, a Christian in the U.S or a Hindu in India. When you risk becoming "frozen out" or outright killed for not believing in what the majority of your country believes in. In many countries, it is still very much frowned upon, but it's becoming more acceptable to believe (or not) in whatever you wish.
Post by
gamerunknown
It's actually closer to 2/3rds of people that maintain the religion of their parents:
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=272042
.
In some countries with Muslim majorities (not all are Arab or in the Middle East), apostasy is still a capital crime. In the US, people are more tolerant, but less so of
atheists
than homosexuals apparently. Anyway, the question becomes when deciding in the absence of evidence (which MyTie purports to do) which is the best religion to choose. Should we do so using the argumentum ad populum? If so we'd probably be Catholic or Sunni. Or perhaps the argumentum ad verecundiam? Chris Langan purports to be the smartest man in the universe and he's a non-denominational Christian IIRC. Maybe as a matter of temporal convenience we adopt the majority religion of our community or that of our parents so as not to antagonise them?
Post by
Azazel
The fact is, the vast majority of religious people get their religion from their parents. That's why Arabs are predominantly Islamic, Indians are predominantly Hindu, Israelis are predominantly Jewish, and Europeans are predominantly Christian. There are exceptions, but most people are taught that their religions is the right one in childhood, and that belief becomes so ingrained in them as they mature.
Can you back that up at all or are you just going by your own assumption of peoples ethnicity and religion?
Can you say "I chose this religion by myself, my parents didn't put it upon me and it was my own concious choice" and tell the truth?
Post by
Adamsm
Hrm,
pretty much any atheist I've met has loled at the idea of anything supernatural, though I haven't met many atheists who I know are atheist.
Um...what?
I'd really like to become buddist at some point though, I don't know much about it though, but from what I've heard, it sounds like my type of religion. I thought about it years ago but then forgot.
If you forgot about it, probably not the religion for you.
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588688
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Post by
Lombax
I'd really like to become buddist at some point though, I don't know much about it though, but from what I've heard, it sounds like my type of religion. I thought about it years ago but then forgot.
If you forgot about it, probably not the religion for you.
I tend to forget things that are not any of my usual thoughts pretty easily.
That just kinda proves the point more.
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588688
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Post by
MyTie
So you reject the idea that if you'd been born in India you would have settled on Hinduism instead? You feel you gave all the options a fair go and arrived back at Christianity? You don't think that the fact that that is a norm for your culture and location (from what little I know of your culture and location) are a factor?It's a fair question, and one that i don't know the answer to. I am obviously biased. I know that. It is for the reason that I know my biases, and attempt to arrive at unbiased conclusions despite my biases, that I think I may have been successful. It is people who deny they are biased that fall victim to their biases. However, I still don't know to the extent I was influenced by my biases.You've probably noticed but I'm fascinated by what makes people choose their beliefs. What makes people think that
their
book is better than the others or even their interpretation of a book better than someone else's. I've got my own ideas about these reasons but I'm still exceedingly curious. Catholicism damns those who believe in something else to eternal hell while Islam calls for the death of those who try and leave that church. So many religions threaten dire consequences for failure to follow their ideas, why do you have the right one? Just because it felt right? You're pinning a lot on that feeling.There is quite a bit more than that. While other religions focus so much on painful endings and consequences, Christianity focuses more on rewards and benefits. It is true that it does bring up negative consequences, not everything is "or else" as it is with many other religions. This was a determining factor.
I share your curiosity in regard to people's beliefs, not just in religion, but in all aspects of life.Well if you follow a religion just cause your parents follows it you are pretty retarded.
No, no. You're 90% (made up stat) of the world's people if you do that.It is noteworthy that my parents, while they went to Church when I was a kid, were not nearly as religious as I am now. I also left their Church and never returned, because they were making appeals to popularity, at the cost of scriptural accuracy. I don't know if they still go to church. My dad is in prison for tax fraud, and my mother is... well... she's odd, and estranged from me.
Post by
Lombax
Just a question to everyone in this thread: would you raise kids under the influence that 'your religion' is right or not talk about religion until they are at the age that they can choose themselves?
Post by
Adamsm
Just a question to everyone in this thread: would you raise kids under the influence that Christianity is right or not talk about religion until they are at the age that they can choose themselves?
Shouldn't that be 'your religion' and not particularly Christianity; since I don't follow that, don't plan on making it a part of their education.
Post by
Azazel
Just a question to everyone in this thread: would you raise kids under the influence that Christianity is right or not talk about religion until they are at the age that they can choose themselves?
I won't raise my kids in religiously. Then again, if you see atheism as a religion..
But I will make sure they know they have a free choice of what religion they wanna belong to. If any at all.
Post by
Lombax
Just a question to everyone in this thread: would you raise kids under the influence that Christianity is right or not talk about religion until they are at the age that they can choose themselves?
Shouldn't that be 'your religion' and not particularly Christianity; since I don't follow that, don't plan on making it a part of their education.
Yup editting that now.
Post by
Monday
Just a question to everyone in this thread: would you raise kids under the influence that Christianity is right or not talk about religion until they are at the age that they can choose themselves?
I won't raise my kids in religiously. Then again, if you see atheism as a religion..
But I will make sure they know they have a free choice of what religion they wanna belong to. If any at all.
But what's the difference between that and raising them as Christians/Muslims/whatever?
Post by
OverZealous
Just a question to everyone in this thread: would you raise kids under the influence that Christianity is right or not talk about religion until they are at the age that they can choose themselves?
I would not bring up religion at all unless they did first, and even then - I'd point out that it is a deeply personal choice, nothing that can be decided for them. I (hope that I) wouldn't try to shove atheism down their throats, either.
Post by
Azazel
Just a question to everyone in this thread: would you raise kids under the influence that Christianity is right or not talk about religion until they are at the age that they can choose themselves?
I won't raise my kids in religiously. Then again, if you see atheism as a religion..
But I will make sure they know they have a free choice of what religion they wanna belong to. If any at all.
But what's the difference between that and raising them as Christians/Muslims/whatever?
Which is what I meant in my first line. The difference that I will make however, is teaching them that religions aren't bad.
Post by
MyTie
Stuff
And, to add to that, until fairly recently it's been
completely unacceptable, socially
, to not be a... Christian in the U.S.This is mostly untrue. It is true that in SOME parts of the US, not subscribing to a religion would earn you the ire of the townsfolk, but large parts of the US, from it's very onset, were not coherently religious, particularly the middle and northern colonies. The northern colonies did have puritan strongholds, and the southern did have Baptists/Anglicans, but entire communities existed, throughout the colonies, in which you had Jews, or even agnostic traders. Port cities come to mind, for some reason. It's only recently that atheism has been an accepted, and even predominant belief held throughout the US. It's also only recently that it's been socially acceptable to paint US history as a totalitarian Christian society, which is patently false.
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