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Blood Death Knights Need a Serious Nerf In PVP
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Adamsm
Yeah I derped there, sorry Rank.
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Adamsm
Because melee attacking them just heals them, they can heal themselves up easily with cooldowns, and they hit like nukes.
Then stop attacking them from the front; and use your actual CC abilities.
Edit: Seriously, if you are eating a Death Strike cause you are standing in front of the Death Knight trying to burst him down....you deserve to be made into an HK for the guy.
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Adamsm
But at least trying to help makes a big difference.
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Rankkor
A geared and skilled blood dk will beat any melee dps of equal gear and skill any day.
wrong
Rogues can beat them into submission. (Even more if they happen to have vial of the shadows...... stupid OP trinket >.>)
Frost and unholy DKs can completely own them (Zero healing rings a bell?)
Bear druids (As I've told you multiple times) can also own them, by stacking lacerate 3 times, using pulverize, and then berserking, and then spam mangle,and BOOYA, dead DK.
Ret pallys can pop wings and zealotry and make mincemeat of the blood Dk. If they happen to have guardian of Ancient kings up, its almost unfair how badly they can own them.
quite honestly, the only melee classes I can't give advice are warriors and enhance shammys, but I already mentioned 4 melee classes that can completely own blood DKs.
if you can't is because you're doing it wrong.
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Astygia
No one spec should be able to completely counter more than one other spec.
A geared and skilled blood dk will beat any melee dps of equal gear and skill any day. You just can't beat a blood dk as a melee dps right now unless that blood is either bad and or in terrible gear. No melee should have to run away and kite another melee, that's not how melee fight.
Rofl @ bolded part. Honestly, read that again with a straight face. How long have you been playing this game?
Anyway, as to the rest of your 'points'... I believe what we have uncovered here is a l2p issue of epidemic proportions. And it's contagious.
Please, spread it more. Folks like you are the same ones that throw their big hitters into a grounding totem, happily allow me to kite you through earthbinds until you die, waste your interrupts on my fakecasts, attack and kill my stoneclaw totems then trinket the stun (lol); same ones that stand there madly clicking your nuke or gap closer on me oblivious of the fact that I'm standing in a smoke bomb killing your healer, stand there looking surprised when I disarm your skillstorm, trinket the sap even though you're a warrior...the list goes on.
Basically what I'm saying is please keep being bad, I like HKs and get plenty of them from your kind without ever logging the dk.
Cheers!
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Adamsm
Seriously, again, blood dks are the bane of all melee dps. No one spec should be able to completely counter more than one other spec. A geared and skilled blood dk will beat any melee dps of equal gear and skill any day. You just can't beat a blood dk as a melee dps right now unless that blood is either bad and or in terrible gear. No melee should have to run away and kite another melee, that's not how melee fight.
Sold, your full of it; as said in this thread time and again, if you actually know how to play your class, you can kill a Blood DK....especially, and this is the most important part, so read it carefully now:
you only attack from the back
; bravo, no eating DS to the face, because honestly man, I'm guessing you run right up to them and start attacking, thinking you can burst them down without using any control moves....
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Orranis
Seriously, again, blood dks are the bane of all melee dps. No one spec should be able to completely counter more than one other spec. A geared and skilled blood dk will beat any melee dps of equal gear and skill any day. You just can't beat a blood dk as a melee dps right now unless that blood is either bad and or in terrible gear. No melee should have to run away and kite another melee, that's not how melee fight.
Sold, your full of it; as said in this thread time and again, if you actually know how to play your class, you can kill a Blood DK....especially, and this is the most important part, so read it carefully now:
you only attack from the back
; bravo, no eating DS to the face, because honestly man, I'm guessing you run right up to them and start attacking, thinking you can burst them down without using any control moves....
Because Blood Death Knights are incapable of turning.
A geared and skilled blood dk will beat any melee dps of equal gear and skill any day.
wrong
Rogues can beat them into submission. (Even more if they happen to have vial of the shadows...... stupid OP trinket >.>)
Frost and unholy DKs can completely own them (Zero healing rings a bell?)
Bear druids (As I've told you multiple times) can also own them, by stacking lacerate 3 times, using pulverize, and then berserking, and then spam mangle,and BOOYA, dead DK.
Ret pallys can pop wings and zealotry and make mincemeat of the blood Dk. If they happen to have guardian of Ancient kings up, its almost unfair how badly they can own them.
quite honestly, the only melee classes I can't give advice are warriors and enhance shammys, but I already mentioned 4 melee classes that can completely own blood DKs.
if you can't is because you're doing it wrong.
Of equal skill and gear. Zero healing doesn't matter if you're just repeatedly taking 35k DS's to the face, because they're going to last hell of a lot longer than you are. Ret Paladin can own any Blood DK... That doesn't have Strangulate and AMS keybinded and know how to use them. Bear Druid's I'm just going to say you're wrong, because there's no way a Bear is going to out-damage a Blood DK's healing+blood shield. Rogues that are better than the DK will beat them, not if they're equal. Vial rogues maybe if they burst them down in the opener (not likely, and requires DK's not popping IBF).
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Astygia
Seriously, again, blood dks are the bane of all melee dps. No one spec should be able to completely counter more than one other spec. A geared and skilled blood dk will beat any melee dps of equal gear and skill any day. You just can't beat a blood dk as a melee dps right now unless that blood is either bad and or in terrible gear. No melee should have to run away and kite another melee, that's not how melee fight.
Sold, your full of it; as said in this thread time and again, if you actually know how to play your class, you can kill a Blood DK....especially, and this is the most important part, so read it carefully now:
you only attack from the back
; bravo, no eating DS to the face, because honestly man, I'm guessing you run right up to them and start attacking, thinking you can burst them down without using any control moves....
Because Blood Death Knights are incapable of turning.
As you are incapable of kiting, it seems.
Of equal skill and gear. Zero healing doesn't matter if you're just repeatedly taking 35k DS's to the face, because they're going to last hell of a lot longer than you are.
Because DS doesn't cost runes or anything, they can just spam it all day.
Ret Paladin can own any Blood DK... That doesn't have Strangulate and AMS keybinded and know how to use them.
I guess we should nerf all the classes that have a silence and damage reduction cd.
Bear Druid's I'm just going to say you're wrong, because there's no way a Bear is going to out-damage a Blood DK's healing+blood shield.
Berserking + barkskin + apply bleeds + bear form + mangle spam, SI if needed (tip: if you're not in crappy gear you probably won't need it). You're welcome.
Rogues that are better than the DK will beat them, not if they're equal. Vial rogues maybe if they burst them down in the opener (not likely, and requires DK's not popping IBF).
Mutilate rogue with all CDs available will easily 1v1 a blood assuming decent pvp gear, sub and combat are also capable.
Any ranged class getting beat by a blood... kite more, learn to fakecast and time cds. In other words, be better.
This advice is not pulled outta my rear. It's what I do and it works.
And again, just for shiggles I checked the top 100 area teams from 2s, 3s, and 5s.
Zero bloods
. Fascinating that people who are proven to be not bad seem to not have trouble with bloods.
Keep on crying; unless they drastically change the blood priorities, folks will still get curbstomped by 'em simply cause they're bad.
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Adamsm
this is the most important part, so read it carefully now:
you only attack from the back
; bravo, no eating DS to the face, because honestly man, I'm guessing you run right up to them and start attacking, thinking you can burst them down without using any control moves....
Because Blood Death Knights are incapable of turning.Which is why you keep turning as they do.
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Meldoron
this is the most important part, so read it carefully now:
you only attack from the back
; bravo, no eating DS to the face, because honestly man, I'm guessing you run right up to them and start attacking, thinking you can burst them down without using any control moves....
Because Blood Death Knights are incapable of turning.Which is why you keep turning as they do.
Not all blood dks are keyboard turning failures. A lot of them are likely to keep you entirely in front of you unless it's a rogue or feral that shadowsteps or charges behind to get off a kidney or maim and even then they have either trinket or IB to remove it and keep you in front again.
I need to agree with Orranis because while I have little to no problem with bloods on most toons, there are a few that equal my skill and you can't really beat them unless you caught them without cds and you blew several. My blood dk is the only reason I don't like them. I once made a castsequence macro for a week that did DS - HS - DS - HS - RS and just spammed it while using no cds or any other spells. Over the course of 22 bgs I got 514 kb 12 deaths and 26 million damage. Also note that my dk is in 3 pieces of vicious and most blues and 359 epics.
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Orranis
this is the most important part, so read it carefully now:
you only attack from the back
; bravo, no eating DS to the face, because honestly man, I'm guessing you run right up to them and start attacking, thinking you can burst them down without using any control moves....
Because Blood Death Knights are incapable of turning.Which is why you keep turning as they do.
It's simple geometry that an object spinning on it's axis will turn more quickly on a coordinate plane unit circle than an object orbiting it.
Unless of course you meant you let them take a turn and hit you from behind, which while more stupid (though not much, as the argument your making from the start of this statement fits that definition pretty well), could at least be interpreted as humorous.
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