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Post by
Ahrendel
Pre 4.3 I never had mana issues. I've actually been OOMing in a few dungeons on some of the trash and bosses. I have never had switched to Seal of Insight to regain mana pre 4.3.
I keep up a standard priority 'rotation.' However, I've now moved Judgement to priority number one if no one else provides a replenishment. I still OOM eventually. It seems like switching to Insight now is not worth it as by time I judge again with Insight, I'm right back where I was when I switch to Insight in the first place, leaving me incapable of switching back to Truth.
Suggestions?
Post by
cersoze
This happened with me too, never got OOM on 4.2...but i've switched priorities on the rotation and now seems fine. And using Arcane whatever (Belf racial) on cooldown helps too.
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Post by
hatman555
During my heroic rag attempts I started using
every 60 seconds, and
Consecration
on CD. This proved to be very mana intensive. To keep up with this, I moved judgement in front of my Crusader Strike. After doing this, I noticed how much of a conflict there is between the rotation, and how often there would be sections where i wouldn't be using Crusader strike in 3 GCDs.
Anyways, using Judgement on cooldown should give you more than enough mana to use all your abilities, and definitely use consecration on CD.
Spec'ing into
definitely helps
Can you link your armory?
Cheers,
Hat
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146856
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Post by
Ahrendel
Most mana intensive skills are non-talented consecration, holy wrath and non-glyphed hammer of wrath.
You get mana back from dodges, blocks and judging.
I never use seal of insight.
Some trash and 3 rd boss in Dragon soul provide a mana soak ability - just play along.
Well, pre-4.3 if, on the rare occasion I did get low on mana, Seal of Insight was an okay way to restore mana with its 15% return per judgement. Not so now. I'm also not talking about just the new heroics, but running anything else at the moment. I've stopped using holy wrath in my rotation with the exception of trash being demons or undead or I need to catch mobs that slipped just past melee range for some reason. Consecrate is talented, so it isn't exactly a mana-hog anymore.
During my heroic rag attempts I started using
every 60 seconds, and
Consecration
on CD. This proved to be very mana intensive. To keep up with this, I moved judgement in front of my Crusader Strike. After doing this, I noticed how much of a conflict there is between the rotation, and how often there would be sections where i wouldn't be using Crusader strike in 3 GCDs.
Anyways, using Judgement on cooldown should give you more than enough mana to use all your abilities, and definitely use consecration on CD.
Spec'ing into
definitely helps
Can you link your armory?
Cheers,
Hat
I used to pop Holy Radiance just to give the healer a little help. I always could pre 4.3. But now 8100 mana for it is too much as that is not going to be easily returned through replenishment/dodging/judging. Judgement used to be whenever Crusader/Hammer of Righteous Avenger's Shield, or Shield of Righteous were on cooldown. Now if it's up it's the first thing I smack.
It's making me feel like being a Holy Paladin again where I have to judge the instant it's available sort of.
I abuse Divine Plea and Arcane Torrent to return some mana as well.
Thankfully I can push out enough threat on trash that if I OOM the stuff will die before anyone over takes me on threat, and the same goes for bosses.
Here's the armory, Hatman (God, I just typed your name as Tophat... been playing a worgen too much lately I guess!) :
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/haomarush/Kaitelynn/simple
The pants have since been gemmed with two Defender's Demoneye.
Post by
dslg604t
I don't see how you're going OOM using Judgement on CD especially since you have Hallowed Ground. Are you healing party members?
Also, BoM might help.
Post by
Ahrendel
I don't see how you're going OOM using Judgement on CD especially since you have Hallowed Ground. Are you healing party members?
Also, BoM might help.
Healing with what? :P Now and then I'll WoG someone else, but that's not something that will be affecting mana.
I've been running with Might anyways. Haven't been doing a lot of tanking in King's unless there's a druid or another pally.
Post by
dslg604t
Yeah, so if you're not giving people FoL, I'm not sure where the mana is going.
And you're supposed to run Might when there's a Druid >_>
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138583
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Post by
pezz
Yeah, so if you're not giving people FoL, I'm not sure where the mana is going.
And you're supposed to run Might when there's a Druid >_>
I think he's saying if there's a Druid then he has kings, but without a druid he does not have kings.
Post by
Ahrendel
Yeah, Pezz. I've been doing Might, with or without druid. Or other pally.
Post by
atomicwolf22
Ok are you useing HW and Con. Close to together? That will drop your mana like a rock even with the proper spec.
From want I have seen with the new heroics and Prot. Pallys is some have issues and some don't. I don't mean this as a slam but the more Exp. Prot. Pallys don't have issues. From want I have seen. Also don't forget about Divine Plea if you need mana and it giving you 3 free HP also.
Post by
livlivliv
Yeah, I've noticed I have to prioritise Judgement as well at times, I've been more lax with it in 4.2, but it seems to have crept up the priority list a little more.
I assume it's to do with changes to mana regen which are pointed at holy, but I guess might affect prot as well?
If you're in dire straits, then switch seals for a while. You can always switch back, and our DPS is so silly-high at the moment with Seal of Truth that we really ought to use it.
You should definitely not be holy-radiance-ing now unless you're the inactive tank. It has a cast time!
Post by
hatman555
I used to pop Holy Radiance just to give the healer a little help. I always could pre 4.3. But now 8100 mana for it is too much as that is not going to be easily returned through replenishment/dodging/judging.
Well, it used to be around 10,000 mana. And how you're not going to be using it at all because with 0 haste and a 3 second cast time, it would be very hard to get off.
I abuse Divine Plea and Arcane Torrent to return some mana as well. These are both % mana return abilities. They shouldn't give you back as much mana as you think they are giving back. Even if you use both together, you need to wait around 5 seconds to get enough mana back to use an expensive ability.
Thankfully I can push out enough threat on trash that if I OOM the stuff will die before anyone over takes me on threat, and the same goes for bosses.
I don't see how you're going OOM using Judgement on CD especially since you have Hallowed Ground. Are you healing party members?
I have to agree with dslg604t. In fact, from reading your posts, I'm going to say, that you really don't have a good handle on your mana usage in general.
Please don't take this the wrong way. Its not meant to be condescending, or elitist.
It seems to me that you need to work on your rotation. Judgement on CD, or even on 12 second CD should give you more than enough mana to be functional throughout any fight. If your starting a fight with at least 60% mana, you should have no problems leaving the fight with 60% or more mana.
I suggest you pay more attention to your rotation and make sure you aren't leaving big gaps of time between your judgement.
I'm sorry I can't offer more help besides that, I have been tanking old 5 mans, the new 5 mans, old raids and the new current raids since the release of 4.3 and I have not seen any mana issues on my end. The class is functioning correctly in my opinion, and judgement continues to return more than enough mana to tank properly.
Cheers,
Hat
Post by
dslg604t
What worries me is that he says he's still struggling even when prioritizing Judgement.
I have no problems doing 39393 so I don't understand.
Post by
livlivliv
What worries me is that he says he's still struggling even when prioritizing Judgement.
I have no problems doing 39393 so I don't understand.
Maybe he's just not prioritizing it enough... With AoE tanking it seems like it kinda needs to be cast on CD, which wasn't (as far as I can tell) necessary previously.
Post by
dslg604t
He said he's putting it before EVERYTHING else. And still has mana problems. Hence my concern.
And anyway, AoE tanking actually comes with more mana regen than single target.
Post by
hatman555
He said he's putting it before EVERYTHING else. And still has mana problems. Hence my concern.
And anyway, AoE tanking actually comes with more mana regen than single target.
I'm pretty sure dslg604t and I will always be on the same page.
AOE tanking = more dodges and blocks = more
procs = more mana.
Hat
Post by
Ahrendel
I think my rotation, pre-4.3 was perfectly correct. Has it changed for 4.3, then?
Priority single target was: Shield of Righteous, Crusader Strike, Hammer of Wrath (sub 20%), Avenger's Shield, Judgement, Consecrate, and lastly Holy Wrath.
Multi-target was: Hammer of Righteous, Consecrate, Avengers shield, Hammer of Wrath (sub 20%), Judgement, Holy Wrath.
Now I've basically moved Judgement all the way to the front to keep mana on single target, and use it just after Avenger's Shield on multi-target. After that, I keep things on cool down in their priority order.
I would switch back and forth between Insight and Truth, but the return on Insight is so pitiful that it seems to cost more to switch back and forth than it would be just to keep Truth on and finish trash/boss and OOM towards the end. Less waste of GCD that way, too.
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