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Post by
keyur
To be king or queen there is no need to most powerful. Like King Terenas Menethil. I know its different race but mostly king or queen came from single family. There are few exception like Thrall - but at that time huge revolution happened.
Azshara was most beloved in nightelves because she was queen and in night elves there was tradition to love her queen and trust her completely and blindly. Due to that first Legion invasion happened. Yeah I agreed Azshara manipulating highborne into going along with the Legion because she wanted to be consort with sargeras but not for power. She cared mostly about her beauty and she thought no man in this world can be consort of great Azshara.
Azshara was the best in manipulation and seduction. And thats her only role during that time.
She helped to open the portal when portal is about to open. Still there is question if she had great power she can help when war is started. Not at the end of the story. Even if Sargeras entered in this world she cant get credit to open portal alone. There were lots of highborne were helping and they were exhausted.
Deathwing gone after killing blue dragon flights, few demons+nightelves(and they keep fighting again). After usage of demonsoul his skin was torn apart from few places(Even he had adamantium plating)
Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden both were about to equal in power and choosen by Sargeras. Actually we cant compare both because both tasks are different - one search the world and another destroy the world. Its never mentioned she had power equal to Archimonde - the personal lieutenant of Demon lord. And for Archimonde its just simple world like another; lets destroy it by demon lord and move to another. He never cared about Azshara or anyone if Sargeras didnt told him.
Rest of the lore I dont know that much...would you please tell me where can I find full story? Old god stuff with Azshara and rest of the things.
And now these Old gods is like secret agents since ages. I wish we can uncover the real potential of their powers. Mostly they just like to corrupt others. 2 of the five old god appeared but they dont seem to too much dangerous like Deathwing or Lich King (well they are look like dangerous but I scared Ragnoros more than these gods - their creation is more dangerous then them).
Yeah Blizz like to introduce old gods one by one lol....
Post by
Adamsm
To be king or queen there is no need to most powerful. Like King Terenas Menethil. I know its different race but mostly king or queen came from single family. There are few exception like Thrall - but at that time huge revolution happened.
Azshara was most beloved in nightelves because she was queen and in night elves there was tradition to love her queen and trust her completely and blindly. Due to that first Legion invasion happened. Yeah I agreed Azshara manipulating highborne into going along with the Legion because she wanted to be consort with sargeras but not for power. She cared mostly about her beauty and she thought no man in this world can be consort of great Azshara.Not in this case: Azshara was Queen because she was the most powerful of the Night Elf magi; note that the primary capitol of the Night Elf empire is named after her after all.
She helped to open the portal when portal is about to open. Still there is question if she had great power she can help when war is started. Not at the end of the story. Even if Sargeras entered in this world she cant get credit to open portal alone. There were lots of highborne were helping and they were exhausted.Dude, she forced the Portal open at the end; it happened in the books because she was finally tired of waiting and wanted Sargeras on Azeroth.
Deathwing gone after killing blue dragon flights, few demons+nightelves(and they keep fighting again). After usage of demonsoul his skin was torn apart from few places(Even he had adamantium plating)And he showed up again at the end of War.
Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden both were about to equal in power and choosen by Sargeras. Actually we cant compare both because both tasks are different - one search the world and another destroy the world. Its never mentioned she had power equal to Archimonde - the personal lieutenant of Demon lord. And for Archimonde its just simple world like another; lets destroy it by demon lord and move to another. He never cared about Azshara or anyone if Sargeras didnt told him. Incorrect: KJ and Velen were both stronger then Archimonde before the corruption, and after, KJ was still the more powerful of the two: That's why KJ Is the second in command to Sargeras while Archimonde leads the armies of the Legion.
Rest of the lore I dont know that much...would you please tell me where can I find full story? Old god stuff with Azshara and rest of the things.Go to Wowpedia.org and read there.
And now these Old gods is like secret agents since ages. I wish we can uncover the real potential of their powers. Mostly they just like to corrupt others. 2 of the five old god appeared but they dont seem to too much dangerous like Deathwing or Lich King (well they are look like dangerous but I scared Ragnoros more than these gods - their creation is more dangerous then them).
Yeah Blizz like to introduce old gods one by one lol..../sigh Since it took the entire Titan Forgering team to seal away 4 of the Old Gods, and their leader fell in combat to C'thun who also 'died'(not really), they are some of the most powerful beings in existence: It's because they are imprisoned that we've never seen them at full power. But, seeing as Yogg corrupted Loken from within Ulduar, and C'thun built the Aqir empire, then modified it into the Silithids and Quarji, and N'Zoth created the Naga well....we know they have power. Also, the Three Old Gods were the ones who corrupted Deathwing and added their power to the Legion and the Highborne to try to drive the insane Aspect away from the Demon Soul as it would stop them from coming through....and had they been able to, those Three working together would have torn Sargeras apart.
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Post by
keyur
"Mannoroth discovered, to his chagrin, that Azshara was far more powerful than he, and that only Archimonde and Sargeras could have matched her."
Yeah finally got it from Sundering novel - It is also mentioned in wowwiki.com
Yeah finally I agreed on Azshara power and as you said she may be even more powerful after contact with the old gods.
She never used her power so its feel like she is nothing. Still got the same question where the hell she was too powerful? At that time only Well was source of the power or she had title Daughter of the Moon(it had to mean something- perhaps she was demigod or it just title because of her beauty). Well is just sample of Titans power and Sargeras is Titan himself. Archimonde and Kel have power of Dark Titan Lord. So theoretically its unacceptable Azshara can match the power of Archimonde.
We have seen that what Archimonde can do or how he can easily destroy the world. If her power can match Archimonde why she need help of Sargeras to rebuild the world or may be she just need consort.
For every single powerful person in WoW there is explanation about his/her power and where those power came from but for Azshara I couldnt find proper explanation....perhaps in next expansions or patchs.
Post by
Adamsm
The explanation is that she was 10 thousand or so years old, Queen of the Night Elves, and one of the most powerful magi: It's about her age. And yes, she had the Well to make her powers stronger, but so did every Night Elf. And it's not unacceptable, since again, Archimonde was the weakest of the three chosen Eredar: Velen and Kil'Jaeden were both stronger then he was....he's just the strongest of those who lead the armies of the Legion.
The Guardian is one of the most powerful beings on Azeroth, but I believe that Azshara could be easily be a match for him; because again, alive for another 10 thousand years and has an Old God upgrade. Azshara was also arrogant and self-centered: To her, the only being perfect enough to be her consort was Sargeras Lord of the Legion; everyone else was pathetic compared to that. There's also the fact that she enchanted the Felguards and Felhounds who were her personal protectors into being more then willing to actually attack their fellow Legion members; she had immense charisma.
Post by
keyur
There's also the fact that she enchanted the Felguards and Felhounds who were her personal protectors into being more then willing to actually attack their fellow Legion members; she had immense charisma.
Yeah Illadin noticed her charm and magic after getting new eye.
In Reign of Chaos- Alone Archimonde able to destroy the Azeroth. He may be weaker than Velen and Kel but do you still think he just powerful enough to control the armies of Legion. He was far more powerful according to me.
For Azshara its only mentioned how powerful she was - thats the probelm. She hardly done big things. But for guardian like Aegwynn we can take proud of his power.
Anyway heading to sleep almost morning here...:)
Post by
Adamsm
.....Besides you know, ripping open the Portal for Sargeras, holding away the ocean for almost a full week around her castle, enchanting the demons of the Legion into her loyal servants.....Had she gone up against Archimonde, she probably would have turned him inside out, and now a days, she could probably have killed him with a pointed little finger.
Post by
keyur
she could probably have killed him with a pointed little finger.
Yeah may be...but still Blizz didnt gave proper justice to Azshara like King Varian.
Ripping open the portal: If portal will be destroyed and Night elves captured her she feared what will happened to her for such betrayal. That may be the main reason for helping the portal event at end of stage. (well its just my thoughts but it doesnt count because it didnt happened so there will be no proof for that)
Holding down ocean and Charm demons: Mostly save her own ass. It was pact with old gods or power of well who saved highborne by transforming into naga. If she was that much powerful she can saved her own people with own power - not like coward pact with old gods.
When naga seen Deathwing is too powerful they declared war again Neptulon and allied with Deathwing. Another example is Illadin is reason for naga retrun. She always needed help of others like Old gods, Illadin, Deathwing for her own survival.
It was Xavius helped the queen communicate with Sargeras and it was Xavius got idea about experimenting with well's power. What did Azshara do? Just gave an order - Lets bring demons in this world...nothing else. This order was her greatest act in history - which threaten the all life. Due to that order we know Azshara. Rather than that there wasnt big deal in any of her acts.
In whole WoW history villain acts made them great villain - not just order. They did great things and really threaten whole world with own power not others(Sargeras).
If Azshara wanted to be villain she need to do something huge to prove her self - not like side villain in every events.
Post by
Adamsm
........You know, whatever man; if you want to see Azshara as a non-villain, when the Lore says otherwise, that's your priorities. No point in arguing against a brick wall.
Post by
keyur
lol chill bro...:)
It was good debate...all people have their opinion. And I am new guy in wow so I was just curious about lore and stuff...I had many disbelief regarding lore - some of them you cleared out. Thanks for that.
For now lets leave this debate...we will figure it out in next few expansions...:)
Have a good day.
Post by
Adamsm
Azshara.
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Post by
Mojoworkn
On topic, I want to kill a Titan.
Any will do.
Sargeras? You'll kill him eventually. :)
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Post by
keyur
On topic, I want to kill a Titan.
Any will do.
Sargeras? You'll kill him eventually. :)
Too late and likely to be the end of WoW.
Kinda true...:) Most successful Titan ever - Sargeras
Post by
keyur
Look like innovation died in WoW...Mostly all impressive villains are from old days.
Post by
keyur
On topic, I want to kill a Titan.
Any will do.
Me too but there should be great villain remain to kill next...for example in WoLK we have LK but there were more powerful villains than LK in lore. This strategy keep game and lore alive. Titan described as one of the most powerful being in WoW universe. Killing few titans in each expansion would be awesome.
Who dont want Titans in breakfast....! :P
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Post by
keyur
Look like innovation died in WoW...Mostly all impressive villains are from old days.
It didn't, it just stopped introducing new main villains.
You have so many Big Bads right now that to introduce new ones inevitably means that those old chaps would be standing still, doing nothing. Imagine if you go back a couple of expansions and there would be even
more
main villains waiting their turn.
Its already silly just how inactive the Legion is. If you make another villain to be theme of a new expansion you'd have the Old Gods and the Naga on the bus. While the Horde-Alliance conflict would be, again, relegated to assistant plot device while the new kid on the block gets the spotlight.
Meanwhile, to keep the things from getting stale, you introduce new secondary issues to be resolved. Take a look at Mists of Pandaria. The Horde-Alliance conflict seems to be on the spotlight at last since
Warcraft 2
(with no Deathwings to steal it) while there's the issue of the completely new Sha as assistant plot device.
So thank goodness we don't have yet another super powerful being trying to destroy or devour Azeroth. Because we already have a lot of those and I'd rather kill them instead of leaving them hanging on a cliff.
Agreed...good point..:)
Does people like Arthas type of villain again?...I mean who is good at the moment but will become bad ass in next few expansion - talking about only humanoid. Arthas crafted in lore so nicely still many people like him.
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