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Post by
riemoondo
since when did daggers become the main weapon for sub when swords have a lot better quality's but one thing is it has to be 80 and lower because they have fast speeds like 1.80 - 1.40 BUT there just stronger they hit harder even a level 60 because i level 60 sword damage will equal to a 359 even with another 60 sword like here is an example
60 sword (ilvl 70 - 89) lose 2.5k agi lose 950 dps (not much if you have good pvp gear)
60 sword (ilvl 70 - 89) lose 2.4k agi lose 898 dps (legendary sword 2.1k because of 1.40 speed)
70 sword (ilvl 132 - 159) lose 1.9k agi lose 810 dps (legendary on off or main doesn't matter super slow main with really fast off hand makes dps fine with good enchants)
80 swords (200 - 284) lose 1.1k - 800 agi lose 765 - 470 dps (with full gems, enchants makes it alot better)
85 daggers (272 - 384) gain a lot but then that damages gets low even with enchants and you only do really good damage from behind
how i know this is because i watch rogues videos over and over i even test on my rogue which has
365 - 384 (only one 352 pvp) pvp gear Ive watched rogues with 384 elite and i still do more damage with 60 weapons i have about 12.2k attack power using 60 weapons with 85 sword on main and 80 fast on off i have about 14.4k attack power without buffs they have more attack power but i hit way harder. While daggers are criting 9k in front of target im hitting 8k in front of target i can crit a prot warrior for 20k standing in front of him a dagger user can not so that's all i have to say for now.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##Moved to Rogue forum since you're not actually talking about PvP mechanics.
I also renamed the thread to be indicative of its content.
Post by
riemoondo
oh yeah and another thing damage loss from a 60 - 80 sword from a 85 dagger isn't much at all its like a level 30 getting rid of a level 1 weapon not big on damage
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riemoondo
you don't what?
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riemoondo
what im saying is i don't get why people think daggers are better in sub than swords when swords to so much more damage
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Post by
riemoondo
true but why use backstab as a main attack when you can use hemorrhage as a main attack and you would be doing a lot of damage like my rogue i don't even need to stun lock to kill because i can do damage from in front of the person but daggers you're damage just dips
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riemoondo
yeah but i tested that with 359 pvp daggers vs 359 pve sword with an 80 pvp sword on my off-hand and the sword did so much more damage
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Post by
asakawa
Since there are no weapon specialisations any more (and they were in combat anyway) why on earth would you use a level 80 off hand sword instead of just using a max level fast dagger, whatever main hand you want to use!?
Backstab does more damage than Hemo as a main combo builder and it requires daggers. If you're happy to be sub-optimal then Hemo based setups aren't a million miles behind but they are unquestionably behind (particularly when using pointless old off-hands).
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riemoondo
i tried the sword main hand dagger off hand and its pretty bad i feel like im losing energy fast and not hitting hard enough i tried it all dude but i find it better using a fast sword on you're off-hand its like real life using a sword you can take body parts using a knife you're just stab Ive known many of people that got stab many of times while fighting and never knew it
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and also im a good rogue so why not use lower lvl weapons Ive had many people ask why use a lower wep on your off-hand(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##Don't double post. You can use the edit button to add any details you forgot in your initial post.
Post by
asakawa
Q:
since when did daggers become the main weapon for sub when swords have a lot better quality's
A:
Since it did more DPS.
If you're not interested in maximising DPS then that's cool but there's your answer. Your set up is sub-optimal.
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riemoondo
OK lol first of all im not a troll and second don't comment on my stuff to insult me
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riemoondo
lol using a lower weapon doesn't show im bad it shows im good because i can easily kill some on with 2 level 60 swords like Ive done many of times before. Oh yeah i don't do drugs and Ive never been to a jail or whatever
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