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JASP01
Survival has the best sustained AoE if there's ever another fight like H Maloriak. I agree that's a pretty useless niche to have since there aren't a lot of fights like that.
The main problem with survival is that it's too easy. The difference between a good surv hunter and a great one isn't much: the good one might delay explosive a little bit and cast a couple less per fight than the great one, but that's about it. The difference between a bad marks hunter and a good marks hunter is pretty huge, though. It makes sense to have the challenging spec be the one with the most potential. If Surv was better, everyone would play it because it ain't hard.
I disagree. I play Surv because it is hard. However, it is easy to simplify. A lot of people probably think Black Arrow takes priority over Explosive Shot, don't know -when- to Arcane Shot (it's rare, but vital), etc. It -is- a spec you have to manage your resources very wisely, and (can I say this word here?) damn well better know what you're doing.
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JASP01
i seen a post ny matheus with three simulations and his gear, if ya look at his gear its reforged for haste, in SV and BM hast isnt all that big of a deal, hes reforged for a MM spec so yeah MM gonna be higher...me i do wayyy better in SV then i do MM, im even knwn for OUT DPSING better geared MM hunters....if you reforge for SV it will be better, you reforge MM it will be better, you reforge BM it will be better, also master the rotations, i see alot of $%^& rotaions for SV people that b*#@$ about, how low it is.. learn your class and learn the specs of your class, quit whining
Yes! This! Thank you!
It's called learn to play one of the harder classes in the game, or play an easier class (i.e. Mage).
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JASP01
Sigh at people who think any hunter spec is actually hard.
I've played SV optimally and I've played MM optimally.
MM is more complicated if you want to squeeze every bit of dps you can out of the spec.
None of the specs are hard.
Very few specs in this game are hard.
Ok. Hard was a bad word. Challenging is probably better. It isn't truly difficult, but it is challenging. At least, moreso than a (perfect reference) Mage.
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izuul
MM is definitely more complicated than SV. I really don't see how you can make an argument to the contrary if you have spent much time playing both.
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Valer
What is the best stat for Survival btw? For pvp?
Mastery seems really weak at only 1% the warlock version is 1.8% and they are virtually identical.
Is crit the way, as you cant really get the most out of haste?
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So 4.3 has been live for over 24 hours now has anyone come up with some numbers for SV and BM?
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I'll just put this here...
MM will absolutely crush Survival on a fight like Ultraxion, where you literally get to sit still and spam buttons the entire fight. Someone playing optimally with MM will always beat someone playing Survival optimally on a fight like that. Statements to the contrary ("OMFG I beat this higher geared hunter when I was Survival on X fight!111111") do not add anything constructive to this conversation. It happens every patch and everytime someone wants to make a "point" about one of our specs. Sorry, but almost all of this game is math when you get down to it (assuming equal player skill) and the math puts MM well above Survival. If you're just posting to say you're better than another player...well, congratulations.
NOW...there will be certain fights were Survival may have a fighting chance against MM simply because of the nature of both specs. For instance, on fights where there is a fair amount of movement (think slime boss or Stormbinder), Survival may actually win out against MM. The reasons for this are fairly obvious and do not need explanation.
So, to recap: MM is simply better than Survival in a completely equal setting. This is pretty much beyond debate. Even a 5% DPS difference (it's more like 10%) is significant. HOWEVER, on certain fights, Survival may win out. And obviously, if you don't have a haste buff in the raid and have some melee, survival wins everytime from a raid DPS stand-point.
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