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Post by
Adamsm
So, think I've experienced this last night, as several of my comments, across a few different things, were downvoted within minutes of each other.
Post by
asakawa
Yes I think you have. I've dealt with it.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##
Post by
Adamsm
Thanks.
Post by
Interest
An example of this: I posted a comment to
The Innkeeper's Daughter
earlier, and saw later that it had already been downvoted. On reviewing, I noticed that every post on the page had lost 1 rep; surely this is an abuse by someone looking only to increase their own rep by making spurious votes?
Possible, or the person just didn't agree with the comments. But this has existed since the achievement for voting was added onto the website.
Interesting. I actually do the reverse of that.
I selectively upvote comments based on their current comment value (I occasionally downvote comments that are at 0 or lower if they are really poorly written or irrelevant).
Post by
Adamsm
An example of this: I posted a comment to
The Innkeeper's Daughter
earlier, and saw later that it had already been downvoted. On reviewing, I noticed that every post on the page had lost 1 rep; surely this is an abuse by someone looking only to increase their own rep by making spurious votes?
Possible, or the person just didn't agree with the comments. But this has existed since the achievement for voting was added onto the website.
Interesting. I actually do the reverse of that.
I selectively upvote comments based on their current comment value (I occasionally downvote comments that are at 0 or lower if they are really poorly written or irrelevant).
Since I've started voting on things, I do the same; go through, look for the out of date information and vote that stuff down, or comments that don't really add anything to the topic at hand. If it's stuff I agree with, get's a vote up.
Post by
Koper
I don't know, I still think that downvoting
should
be encouraged.. So the only alternative would be to remove rep given when you downvote
or upvote
comments :S
Post by
Adamsm
It should be, but it shouldn't allowed to be used as a way of griefing other users you disagree with.
Post by
644871
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Adamsm
And it's happening again.....
Edit: Not complaining about losing the rep that much, just wondering who is actually doing this.
Post by
Interest
I don't know, I still think that downvoting
should
be encouraged.. So the only alternative would be to remove rep given when you downvote
or upvote
comments :S
But then I'll farm rep by flooding the database with comments =D (No I'm actually kidding)
Post by
KidB
I don't know, I still think that downvoting
should
be encouraged.. So the only alternative would be to remove rep given when you downvote
or upvote
comments :S
I'd be okay with this. You should either give or not give rep
both
for downvoting
and
upvoting. If you remove rep gains from downvoting, you'll only encourage rep grinders to mass upvote stuff that maybe doesn't deserve an upvote.
You are currently giving out free 5000 rep to basically anyone with enough free time to sit and scroll through 50 comments per day. A guy that gained 5000 rep through voting has done nothing but voiced his opinion on someone else's opinion most of the time.
Post by
Adamsm
And the mass downvoting has happened again off of my comments.
Post by
KidB
Okay, can you, like, email the guys on wowhead instead of posting every time it happens? It's obvious now that someone holds a grudge against you.
Post by
Ordayc
As far as I can tell, you're mixing two aspects: getting reputation for downvoting and losing reputation for being downrated. IMHO, the former is absolutely necessary for the system to work, otherwise people would have an incentive to upvote everything, which would be terrible. The latter could be changed, but I'm nonetheless in favor of keeping it, for the sake of discouraging people from posting bad comments.
There are still tons of crappy comments, and I rather have them removed than being safeguarded by a onesided system.
btw I've had plans for quite a while to redo how comments work. I really hate the current "threaded/replies" format.. If the parent comment gets deleted/downvoted then the replies, even if good, suffer as well (like it happened now). Additionally this system can be abused by replying to the first comment in the page with something that is an unrelated comment rather than a reply, to have a guaranteed second in the list place.
...
I don't know when I'll have time to do this but if you have some early feedback it's welcome.
This sounds amazing. I dislike the current system and its drawbacks as well. The introduction of the "flag outdated" feature has helped somewhat, but is probably not enough. A few things I would like you to consider:
Currently, it is not possible to distinguish between "rate up because the comment adds valueable information" and "rate up because the comment is correct". While this distinction may seem petty at first, there are a few examples where this does matter. For example,
this post
contains very interesting information that was missing, but it's plain wrong – still, it managed to get a rating of +20 with 23 up- and a mere 3 downvotes. Many people (which includes me) rate up in good faith, just to find out that the information provided is incorrect. I'm aware that a system that makes this distinction would likely be messy, and I'm not advocating it; I simply wanted to bring it to your attention. A small step would be to allow the change of a rating retroactively, because then people could at least undo their "mistake" and are not bound to have supported a bad comment until the end of time.
This even leads to me another problem I've come across which is associated with reporting outdated comments. While I really love this feature, I have the feeling that it is being misused* for removing wrong, redundant or "stupid" posts that were not outdated. (* This is not meant in a negative way.)
So far, I have no idea how to react to such cases. Strictly speaking, I should vote
no
when a post is not outdated (however stupid it may be), and I'm leaning towards following this rule and downrating the comment afterwards. On the other hand, there have been reports of which I felt they were justified in the sense that the comment should be deleted and, from a pragmatic POV, a quick removal is preferable over a slow (and not even certain) death by rating. I've actually done exactly this in the case I linked above: I flagged the comment as being outdated (which you could argue it is, since a blizzard employee gave us the 'ground truth' contradicting this comment, but at the same time it is not, since it has never been correct). I reported the first reply as well, because it is a reply to an outdated comment and as such outdated as well, but since it didn't belong here anyways, one could argue that it should have been 'killed' by downrating rather than by reporting. It seems others have the same problem of not being aware of the intended course of action, as I've seen both reports and subsequent yes votes for such comments.
I think it would help if you clarified whether or not you consider the removal of non-outdated comments a legimitate use of this feature. If not, a message could be placed so that either the reporter or the voters get a warning message or something similar.
One solution could be that you introduced a second alternative to "outdated", such as "report to users". However, instead of allowing the quick deletion for such cases (which circumvents the rating system and is probably against the spirit of this site), people could then simply rate the comment. Since comments would be brought to many users's attention, this could lead to the situation where comments are still removed fairly quickly as it currently is for deletion-flagged comments, but it would also mean that the system is not used wrongly.
Edit: Another thing that bothers me is that currently, rage-voters (like the ones mentioned in this thread) can cause a new comment to get a negative rating quickly, endangering a potentially useful comment. This almost happened to one of my comments, ironically to the one with the highest rating now. I don't know how exactly the purge mechanism works (I have seen posts with -1 unrateable, while others with -6 could still be rated), but I feel that rating should be allowed fairly long, so that an unlucky streak of two early downvotes cannot "destroy" a comment entirely.
Edit 2: I think it would be great to be notified when one of your comments gets a reply.
I'm sorry for somewhat hijacking this thread with my feedback, you may as well outsource it into a separate thread.
Post by
26387
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Koper
Thanks everyone for the feedback. We'll discuss internally what to do and we'll let you know.
Post by
644871
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Koper
That's not going to happen. We disagree that upvotes are better than downvotes.
We have too many comments
, we do want to weed down the bad ones. Now, if people are downvoting at random just for the +1 rep that's not fine, and we are something we are investigating and that will play a role key in our decision.
But we do want people to downvote every bad comment they see, and we don't want to limit them further than the current limit (max of 50 votes a day).(##RESPBREAK##)2##DELIM##Koper##DELIM##
Post by
Lenience
I'm not sure if this has been said already but accessing the privilege to rate should be upped.
Post by
781136
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
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