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[RaP] Congressional White Caucus: Racist?
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Post by
Jubilee
We're done here then?
Post by
MyTie
We're done here then?
Unless you want to stop being silly and discuss why a White Congressional Caucus would cause outrage, but a Black Congressional Caucus doesn't. I'm fine either way.
Post by
Jubilee
What about my post was silly?
Post by
MyTie
What about my post was silly?
Based on your post and debate style I am faced with a conundrum. On the surface, I wan't to disagree with the notion that a double standard cannot exist in a non black and white world. I want to explain that although there are many varying degrees of racism, and appropriateness therein, and historical context, a double standard still exists, and is inappropriate. The reason I hold some reservation from continuing, is in the past, your response to my arguments has been "I didn't say that", without really explaining how I misunderstood. Which leaves me feeling much like I imagine you were feeling when you said "So we are done here".
Finally, if we really need to refer to the UN definition of racism to see if the Congressional Black Caucus's exclusion of white people is racist, I feel like there is an elephant in the room, and instead of addressing it, people want to discuss the definition of "room". Do you understand how that could be frustrating? (See: Brazil)
At any rate, I do have other obligations to attend to today. For what it's worth, I have gained a certain amount of respect for you and fenomas, despite my irritation. I really enjoy these debates, and look forward to having more in the future.
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91278
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Post by
Orranis
Being "Proud to be White" makes you a Klan Member.
Being "Proud to be Black" makes you a Community Leader.
Being "Proud to be " only makes sense in the context of that race being commonly thought of as inferior.
Why must my race be commonly thought of as "inferior" in order to be proud of it? Are blacks commonly thought of as inferior? Where is your evidence to support such a radical claim?
I don't think being proud to be black makes any more sense at this point in time. You could say you were proud to be poor, but unless you're poor due to a lifestyle choice that just seems rather silly. You haven't achieved anything by being your race, you were born, so was everybody else, so unless you were looked down upon for being born the same way as everybody else it doesn't make any sense.
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168916
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Post by
MyTie
It depends on your definition.
In my opinion, no it would not - because in references and casual usage I'm familiar with, "racist" implies an element of hatred, animus, notions of superiority/inferiority, and the like.
That's fine.
Let's take it a step further. Would you hypothesize that society, generally, doesn't disapprove of the CBC, but would disapprove of a CWC?
Post by
MyTie
On a semi side note, the CBC made
news today
.
Post by
Orranis
It depends on your definition.
In my opinion, no it would not - because in references and casual usage I'm familiar with, "racist" implies an element of hatred, animus, notions of superiority/inferiority, and the like.
That's fine.
Let's take it a step further. Would you hypothesize that society, generally, doesn't disapprove of the CBC, but would disapprove of a CWC?
I'd say that it's very likely.
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168916
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Post by
MyTie
Let's take it a step further. Would you hypothesize that society, generally, doesn't disapprove of the CBC, but would disapprove of a CWC?
I think we're all taking that as read. The relevant question at this stage of the conversation is what reason you think people have for holding that position? (If you say "because they think it's okay for blacks to be racist but not for whites" several of us are going to be disappointed.)
Ok. Because they would think that the CBC is not racist, but the CWC is racist. The problem I have with this is threefold:
1)
The assumption that the CBC is not racist
. I have this issue with the CBC not just because of the way it chooses its members, but also the language that many of the members use. One of the members recently said that the tea party members of congress "would love to see you and me (blacks) hanging from a tree". The chair of the CBC said (as I linked in that news link earlier) that if Obama weren't president, they would "march on the white house". She went further to explain that they wouldn't tolerate the same situation out of Clinton. Now, I'm not saying they don't try to assist the black community, but I'm saying that they also spend a lot of time focusing on race in a negative and unproductive way. They are supposed to be leaders of the black community, and they are espousing self victimization.
2)
The assumption that the CWC would be racist
. We know that if a CWC would be formed, there would be an outcry. Some would say that the CWC could serve no other purpose than racism, since whites have not had a history of living in slavery and enduring racism(they actually have, but that's another topic). Well, there are issues that affect white people very much: sickle cell anemia, skin cancer, a major religious shift in the last 20 years, obesity, alcoholism, etc. A CWC could, in theory, address a number of problems that affect whites differently than other races.
3)
The double standard
. Do I want to see a CWC made? Not really. I think it would be a pretty big waste of time and government resources, just like the CBC is. My problem is the acceptance of one and not the other. I understand that there is a long history that historical blacks have had with problems in slavery and racial segregation/discrimination. I think that is horrible. However, the greatest changes that have come about to fix this issue have been social, legal, and military. The very greatest I would say is social. The other two would not have come without the atmosphere of social change. Legal issues do not generally change social perceptions. However, social perceptions do change the laws that are made. This is why I question the CBC ability to truly make any difference, or help. I reject a CBC, not based on racism, but on uselessness. We have democracy to represent all of the community. We do not need caucuses. I reject a CBC for the same reason I reject a CWC. What I find the most difficult to accept, is that society would generally accept the CBC, and generally reject the CWC, based on assumptions and biases.
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